1.    05 Aug 2015 #1
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 7

    Lost Home Network Connection


    The upgrade from 8.1 went smoothly, the only problem so far is that
    I lost my Home Network connection and don't see how to re-connect.

    My Home Network consists of 3 computers, an ancient XP, a newer WIN7,
    an HP Printer and this one running WIN10.

    Where do I find the screen(s) that will let me connect this computer to
    mt Home Network ?

    Thanks,

    rs
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  2.    06 Aug 2015 #2
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 7
    Thread Starter

    Problem solved, but not by me !! Darn, these things are smart !!
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  3.    06 Aug 2015 #3
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 37
    Win10 Pro

    Windows XP will not connect/talk to Windows 10 and vise versa, not that i have found. the same was true of Win8 it was impossible without some nonstandard magic, if it was possible at all.

    1) make sure all PC's are on the same IP range and subnet and gateway and DNS. externally pointed DNS can sometimes cause issues with internal resolution even though that seems silly, i see it everyday.
    2) make sure they are on the same Workgroup
    3) if you are on a homegroup then your WinXP machine is toast, not usable.... but make sure the Win7 and 10 machines are put on the same homegroup.
    4) Microsoft killed the VERY basic networking protocals in Windows 10 making it even worse than Windows 8 was. i fight my Win10 machine even seeing my Synology NAS let alone accessing it and other computers, on a daily basis and i can go up to SMB 3+ for my shares.
    5) if you are using a microsoft account to log into windows DONT. if your home pc is just that, then forget ever using a microsoft account, it only complicates the very basic essentials of a network because you are not Bob @ Computer1 you are bob@hotmail.com @Computer1, which ends up making other PC's think you are some foreign entity on the network, but when you look at your user account you are not bob@hotmail.com you are bob or if you have a longer name like mine that might be cyberlunacy@msn.com windows turns it into cyberl and only that, so then your authentication is even more broken.
    you are only cyberlunacy@msn.com to another microsoft app or 3rd party application which recognizes those credentials.

    create a local account and use that 24/7 unless you really truly need to use your microsoft account. but expect networking issues when you do.
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  4.    07 Aug 2015 #4
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 7
    Thread Starter

    Sorry to break this to you, but my Home Network of 3 Computers, running XP, WIN7 and WIN10 talk to each other just fine.
    I can copy and paste files from one to the other and send print requests also.
    Not sure how this works, but I gave up a long time ago trying to fathom Windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberlunacy View Post
    Windows XP will not connect/talk to Windows 10 and vise versa, not that i have found. the same was true of Win8 it was impossible without some nonstandard magic, if it was possible at all.

    1) make sure all PC's are on the same IP range and subnet and gateway and DNS. externally pointed DNS can sometimes cause issues with internal resolution even though that seems silly, i see it everyday.
    2) make sure they are on the same Workgroup
    3) if you are on a homegroup then your WinXP machine is toast, not usable.... but make sure the Win7 and 10 machines are put on the same homegroup.
    4) Microsoft killed the VERY basic networking protocals in Windows 10 making it even worse than Windows 8 was. i fight my Win10 machine even seeing my Synology NAS let alone accessing it and other computers, on a daily basis and i can go up to SMB 3+ for my shares.
    5) if you are using a microsoft account to log into windows DONT. if your home pc is just that, then forget ever using a microsoft account, it only complicates the very basic essentials of a network because you are not Bob @ Computer1 you are bob@hotmail.com @Computer1, which ends up making other PC's think you are some foreign entity on the network, but when you look at your user account you are not bob@hotmail.com you are bob or if you have a longer name like mine that might be cyberlunacy@msn.com windows turns it into cyberl and only that, so then your authentication is even more broken.
    you are only cyberlunacy@msn.com to another microsoft app or 3rd party application which recognizes those credentials.

    create a local account and use that 24/7 unless you really truly need to use your microsoft account. but expect networking issues when you do.
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  5.    07 Aug 2015 #5
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 37
    Win10 Pro

    w1ksz
    - dont be sorry for correcting me, i am always game to be edumacated

    are you simply enabling lower encryption in networking and sharing and using gpedit to change the NT Auth settings like we started having to do with Vista/7 and XP mix networks?
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  6.    12 Aug 2015 #6
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 52
    Windows 10

    Quote Originally Posted by w1ksz View Post
    Sorry to break this to you, but my Home Network of 3 Computers, running XP, WIN7 and WIN10 talk to each other just fine.
    I can copy and paste files from one to the other and send print requests also.
    ====================================
    I am very interested in that. How did you do it?
    I have an existing Home Network (Home Group: MS Home) with mixed computers
    My clean installed Windows 10 computer just can not join my existing HomeGroup.
    It seems to have automatically created a new Home Group (I don't know its name), and sent me a NEW password. (I wrote down that just in case I need it in the future). I don't need another new HomeGroup, much less a new password.

    Help needed:
    How to make my newly clean installed Windows 10 computer to join the existing Home Group.


    Thank you very much.
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  7.    12 Aug 2015 #7
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 7
    Thread Starter

    The last sentence in my reply explains it all ... I have no idea. It's all Black Magic to me.

    rs

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberlunacy View Post
    w1ksz
    - dont be sorry for correcting me, i am always game to be edumacated

    are you simply enabling lower encryption in networking and sharing and using gpedit to change the NT Auth settings like we started having to do with Vista/7 and XP mix networks?
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  8.    12 Aug 2015 #8
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 52
    Windows 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Learner99 View Post
    ====================================
    I am very interested in that. How did you do it?
    I have an existing Home Network (Home Group: MS Home) with mixed computers
    My clean installed Windows 10 computer just can not join my existing HomeGroup.
    It seems to have automatically created a new Home Group (I don't know its name), and sent me a NEW password. (I wrote down that just in case I need it in the future). I don't need another new HomeGroup, much less a new password.

    Help needed:
    How to make my newly clean installed Windows 10 computer to join the existing Home Group.


    Thank you very much.
    ==============================
    This is a reply to my own post, shown above, about my current situation.
    My Windows 10 computer can see my Win XP computer. (So the Win 10 computer has already joined the existing Home Group. I don't know how it became that way.)

    Problem:
    But my Win XP computer can not see my Win 10 computer - so, the Win XP can not use the printer connected to the Win 10 computer.

    Update: w1ksz: Your post is very important, even though you don't know or no longer remember how you got it working.
    The fact is "it can work" as demonstrated by you --- sooner or later someone (or me) will figure out how to get it working.
    Thank you very much for telling us about that.
    Last edited by Learner99; 13 Aug 2015 at 00:16.
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  9.    12 Jan 2016 #9
    Join Date : Jan 2016
    Posts : 12
    W10 Pro 64bit

    Has anyone mastered this - W10 Pro 64bit joining Mshome group( XP Pro 32bit) ?
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