Do all ISP's throttle speeds/WiFI Blast? Solved

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  1.    #21

    EyeInTheSky said: View Post
    It is curious you posted that link. That is one of the first ones I saw peculiarly enough. I tried to find that link earlier as a matter of fact, and it brings out some of what I was hinting at earlier in the thread.
    and it is pure, 100% false bovine doo doo.
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    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    and it is pure, 100% false bovine doo doo.
    Yeah, it is interesting how they acted like they had to protect some workers job in order to advertise something yet alone a beer being offered in the process!
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  3.    #23

    reverse psychology


    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    I would never, ever purchase a WiFi Blast unit. Not because it isn't a good range extender or not. I don't know, never used one. I would not buy one because of their ridiculously false advertising.
    reverse psychology such as this is a VERY SOUND principle with adverts,

    I think every scam fails a reverse psychology test. I give some further reverse psychology problems with the advert I saw where the problem was all the info was hearsay, the alleged customer R says an alleged technician B whose name anyway has been "changed to protect his identity" said something and got a gadget out of a van.



    That is unverfiable hearsay, casting a positive aspersion of authority by saying B was a technician, and getting the prospective internet user to identify with the probably fictional R by saying he is a frustrated internet user.

    If the device doesnt work, you couldnt take any legal action because the manufacturer hasnt alleged anything, they just said R said B said something, the manufacturer hasnt alleged in direct speech that ALL ISP's throttle speeds and that you can increase the speeds by merging channels.



    if something is true, you dont need to spin a hearsay yarn "this guy I met on the bus said he has a friend who works for BT who said that all the ISP's throttle bandwidth ...".

    the author of the article is S, but he talks of a customer R, how does S know what happened to R, why doesnt S tell us what he has found out, eg quite simple to compare the product versus the ISP supplied modem, why spin a yarn about someone else?

    I will tell you why! Its so you cannot take legal action, as S and the manufacturer arent alleging anything. All allegations are shielded as unverifiable hearsay.

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    Hi there
    these days of competition, mobile phone 5G coming in - possibly rendering even the new Fibre optic cable systems obsolete before they've even be fully rolled out I doubt whether any ISP would dare to throttle users -- certainly not now with all monitoring available and consumer rights groups with power to check people are getting the service they are billed for.

    I'd be more worried about things like raising prices mid-contract ("due to unspecified forseen price hike costs -- CEO's pensions maybe "!!! and capping / limiting Bandwidth -- especially now with quite a lot of 4K UHD content available.

    Check of course that any wifi connection you have between your computer and Router works at FULL DUPLEX -- usually cheaper cards work at HALF DUPLEX and if you can use the 5GHZ band - and switch to a least congested channel.


    @NavyLCDR
    And as our good friend from the navy puts it more eloquently than me when I'm saying as well it's "Pure Bovine Scatology".

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    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there
    these days of competition, mobile phone 5G coming in - possibly rendering even the new Fibre optic cable systems obsolete before they've even be fully rolled out I doubt whether any ISP would dare to throttle users -- certainly not now with all monitoring available and consumer rights groups with power to check people are getting the service they are billed for.

    I'd be more worried about things like raising prices mid-contract ("due to unspecified forseen price hike costs -- CEO's pensions maybe "!!! and capping / limiting Bandwidth -- especially now with quite a lot of 4K UHD content available.

    Check of course that any wifi connection you have between your computer and Router works at FULL DUPLEX -- usually cheaper cards work at HALF DUPLEX and if you can use the 5GHZ band - and switch to a least congested channel.
    I agree completely with your eloquent synopsis of the situation. However; I am more than baffled as to how companies (regardless of the service they provide) can freely and without punishment scoop up peoples money under false claims as to comparison of the so called fine print terms of agreement.

    In other words, it is about having a choice and when they put you in a box with limited options because you can't have one thing without agreeing to something you completely disagree with..............well, where is the choice in that then? All companies use the same tactics because dishonesty pays and frankly I feel it is reaching a tipping point because people are tired of it.
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    Hi there
    If there's a finite system then you can't put an infinite demand on it - so it's reasonable to put caveats into essentially "unlimited usage" such as "excessive" or not running say a "seedbox" type of home server uploading and streaming multi-media content to all and sundry.

    However this type of "vague" clause e.g "excessive" use should be clarified in law -- such as they could say that if you regularly go above say 1 TB download in a month we might have to look at your pricing / etc etc. Mind you even 1TB which might seem a lot now won't last 5 mins when you have a lot of multi-media streams from AMAZON, NETFLIX etc all in 4K UHD (and some even experimenting with 8K UHD - but you really need a proper cinema screen to appreciate that definition though).

    Bare in mind that say the latest (really great show) on Netflix Blue Planet Live with David Attenborough has 8 episodes in full 4k UHD definition of approx 55 mins each -- that's around 60 GB just on that -- UHD 4K currently is around 8 - 12GB per hour of video using current methods of transmission. So if you watch around say 100 shows a month in UHD 4K that's your 1 TB gone.

    Companies do need to be more open - agree absolutely but you can't as the saying goes get a Gallon of Gasoline out of a pint jug. They must quantify the rules --then IMO it's OK.

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    Well I think it's fair...

    If on an unlimited plan and you are in the top 100 or whatever consumers, you get throttled... the ISP's can't have the few gamers/movie buffs hogging the network when their primary source of revenue are the facebookers... on a dedicated/capped plan no issue.
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    @jimbo45 and @Superfly

    Thanks; you both have an excellent assessment of the current situation as well as others that have replied to the thread.

    I have found that if I go just even a couple of days without reading TenForums, I get behind on the reality of how fast things are moving. I wish I could afford financially all the things I really wanted as far as software and hardware are concerned; but since I can't, I greatly appreciate all the ideas floating around here on the forums thanks to folks like yourselves.
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    dubious5 said: View Post
    reverse psychology such as this is a VERY SOUND principle with adverts,

    I think every scam fails a reverse psychology test. I give some further reverse psychology problems with the advert I saw where the problem was all the info was hearsay, the alleged customer R says an alleged technician B whose name anyway has been "changed to protect his identity" said something and got a gadget out of a van.



    That is unverfiable hearsay, casting a positive aspersion of authority by saying B was a technician, and getting the prospective internet user to identify with the probably fictional R by saying he is a frustrated internet user.

    If the device doesnt work, you couldnt take any legal action because the manufacturer hasnt alleged anything, they just said R said B said something, the manufacturer hasnt alleged in direct speech that ALL ISP's throttle speeds and that you can increase the speeds by merging channels.



    if something is true, you dont need to spin a hearsay yarn "this guy I met on the bus said he has a friend who works for BT who said that all the ISP's throttle bandwidth ...".

    the author of the article is S, but he talks of a customer R, how does S know what happened to R, why doesnt S tell us what he has found out, eg quite simple to compare the product versus the ISP supplied modem, why spin a yarn about someone else?

    I will tell you why! Its so you cannot take legal action, as S and the manufacturer arent alleging anything. All allegations are shielded as unverifiable hearsay.


    The bottom line to your eloquent assessment is simply this:

    If the companies and corporations have to hide behind the hearsay factor; then in my most humble opinion, they are up to no good in the first place.

    Honesty and integrity is what a business or corporations' foremost desires should be and unfortunately, it is not that way and everyone knows it, regardless of legal actions being taken to pacify disgruntled customer(s).
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    Well I think it's fair...

    If on an unlimited plan and you are in the top 100 or whatever consumers, you get throttled... the ISP's can't have the few gamers/movie buffs hogging the network when their primary source of revenue are the facebookers... on a dedicated/capped plan no issue.

    Hi there
    @Superfly
    I think the real question isn't whether or not the networks should protect their load management so most consumers can get a reasonable service from a limited supply but the capping etc arrangement should be quantified clearly in the contract so both sides (the ISP's and the Consumers) know both their rights and obligations. Nobody is suggesting that you should allow the rest of the user community to suffer when a few users hog the whole network and so it has to be managed responsibly (by both sides).

    It's not a satisfactory contract when there are vague things like "Excessive" use mentioned without any standard legal terminology as to what that actually means for consumers.

    A lot of big businesses are just so powerful these days that one of the only reasonable protection consumers have is a sensible system of robust consumer contract law as well as a proper legal framework on how businesses need to conduct themselves. Without robust and acessible court systems there's no protection whatsoever against huge international global entities.

    Both Businesses and Consumers / Customers / Clients should know both their rights and obligations -- that's what sensible legal / Court systems are there for and as such contracts need to be written clearly without sneaky things in tiny small print on page 379 of an agreement that nobody reads for example.

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