Windows 10: Accessing other computers on the network...Help! Solved

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  1.    14 Jul 2018 #41

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Hmmm, I wonder if it's tied to SMB1 which I have enabled both at the shop and here at home? MS disabled it in the April update which is part of the cause of all the problems. I'll try disabling it here and see if that parameter goes away or not and post results.

    Edit: Sure enough, if SMB1 is disabled, that parameter is not there.
    I have SMB enabled in three W10 machines (two Pro and one Home) and it was only there in one of the Pro registries ...the one that was having problems.
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  2. Ztruker's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro X64 17134.191
       14 Jul 2018 #42

    Now I'm totally confused (again, what's new?). I powerted off overnight as usual and when I just checked SMB1 is still fully disabled:

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    but the registry key is now there:

    Code:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters
        EnablePlainTextPassword    REG_DWORD    0x0
        EnableSecuritySignature    REG_DWORD    0x1
        RequireSecuritySignature    REG_DWORD    0x0
        ServiceDll    REG_EXPAND_SZ    %SystemRoot%\System32\wkssvc.dll
        ServiceDllUnloadOnStop    REG_DWORD    0x1
        AllowInsecureGuestAuth    REG_DWORD    0x0
    I ran the .reg zap again and set AllowInsecureGuestAuth to 0x1.
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  3. Barman58's Avatar
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       14 Jul 2018 #43

    None of my systems have the Lanman Worksation setting and are all working correctly. All Windows 10 Pro 1803 fully updated

    All fileshares also have NTFS Security Settings for the files and folders set from Properties Security... set to share full control with the Administrators group and my actual Main user name

    For comparison this is the Lanman Workstation Properties list on all systems

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  4. Barman58's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 1803 - 17134.5 XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
       14 Jul 2018 #44

    @Ztruker

    Are you stil on 1709 or are you up to date with 1803?

    The SMBv1 protocol in 1709 was set to disable the protocol, on a timer if it was re-enabled - I think it was a scheduled task, which may explain the state being off when you checked - the scheduled task is removed in 1803, as the Wannacry vulnerability is fully patched now
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  5.    14 Jul 2018 #45

    ARAMP1 said: View Post
    Yes, I can access them via IP on the desktop.

    No luck.
    That should be Automatic delayed. I had on computer set to Automatic and it did not work. Another thread had disable IPV6 in
    adapter settings and that worked for me also
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  6. Ztruker's Avatar
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       16 Jul 2018 #46

    @Barman58, I'm on 1803 17134.165.
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  7.    19 Jul 2018 #47

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there
    just seems stuff works and then after an update it just stops -- usually on one specific machine.

    I reverted back to an image taken 1 month ago -- network OK, then applied updates via windows update and its working even after 2 / 3 reboots.

    All I do in this machine is just apply windows updates and run some VM servers none of which have been updated for ages.
    My main gripe is that the networking just can't seem to be reliable -- it's not if i'm fiddling around on this particular machine and making loads of changes all over the place !!!!!.

    If NONE of the machines work or the same defect is repeatable I'd actually be happier -- however this is not the cause and judging by the myriad of solutions / suggestions to be found in this section of the Forum I don't think that networking issues are confined to just a few people !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I solved the problem here........... I rolled back to 1709 and haven't looked back since........... As big as M$ is, there should not be any problems with local networking..... none at all. This is the biggest FUBAR I can remember. I won't go to another version until THEY admit and fix this atrocity of an OS.
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  8.    19 Jul 2018 #48

    Curious as to what your Lanman Server Parameters look like ....

    FWIW here's mine for Win10 Home x64 (1803 17134.167) and network sharing works fine with SMBv1 uninstalled.

    Lanman Server Parameters
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  9. Barman58's Avatar
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       20 Jul 2018 #49

    SMBv1 has not been needed for some considerable time, for general networking between Windows systems It has been superseded twice and the revision is now SMBv3 which has itself been around for a few years, (Vista?). SMB or Small Block Messaging is a system that is used by UNIX and it's derivatives, (Linux, MAC OS, and Android), so Microsoft developed the Windows SMB protocol to allow communication with these devices.

    Although most of the current "nix" operating systems are now compliant with the latest Microsoft Protocol SMBv3, (or SMBv2), there are a lot of devices that use a cut down "Embedded" OS and many of these are still relient on the use of SMBv1 for access so Windows 10 1709 and 1803 and likely all those going forwards, will not communicate on a network where SMBv1 is not active. These include a lot of modern AV Media devices From Large screen UHD "4K" TVs to the NAS storage systems that are so popular today . Things such as Android phones that use Wireless, and the Router Connected Storage appear to be mostly immune to this issue but not all.

    The cause of "all" the changes to the Windows Networking system, (Not Homegroup which is withdrawn due to other issues), is the widespread, and expensive to business users, Wannacry outbreak Last year

    The Vulnerability that was used to by wannacry was already mostly patched In Windows 10 on Release in 2015, (which was why it was mostly businesses still using unpatched XP and Windows 7 that suffered), but there was a small chance of of another route being used so the Protocol was disabled in 1709, and a scheduled task included to keep it disabled if it was enabled by the user, whilst MS Boffins worked through the issue. The full patch was in place when 1803 released so although the Protocol is still disabled by default it stays enabled if you set it so.

    It is safe to use the new patched Version of Windows 10 with SMBv1 on Windows 10 if you have any devices that require it , I would be less confident using XP or Win7 with the protocol active but should be OK with care and a good Anti Ransomware system.

    There has been some discussion as to the use of SMBv1 in the Basic "Browser Service" that has been used for many years to find and broadcast Networked device names and this could be true and the reason for the Use of the two "New services Now being Required, Function Discovery Provider Host & Function Discovery Resource Publication, which from the name would appear to do a similar, the Same, Job as the old Browser system. These are on delayed start so as not no get lost in the maelstrom of activity on a normal windows boot (and they probably are dependent on other services).

    For those in a Mixed Windows only Network infrastructure, It should be fine to leave SMBv1 disabled

    Whatever setup you decide on it must be a system wide setting on all devices not just one that has an issue if only to keep the error log clear of thousands of unimportant messages from the one system you left in a different network state to the others
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  10. Ztruker's Avatar
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       21 Jul 2018 #50

    Excellent information Nigel, many thanks.

    Now if I (we?) only had a sure fire way to make sharing between windows computers on a local network do what it's supposed to do as it used to prior to Windows 10 I'd be happy. I have a mixed bag of Windows 10, 7, 8, Vista and XP computers at various times with two Win 10 computers being the ones that are always there. I never know from day to day what computer will see what computer. This is with and without SMBV1 enabled, with and without Password protected sharing enabled or disabled and a host of other attempts to fix this.

    Many times it's simpler and quicker to dump stuff I need to a flash drive and move it between computers. Very frustrating. I don't understand why Microsoft can't, or won't, fix this. It's ubiquitous and completely reproducible and for me the #1 problem in Windows 10 today.
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