Homegroup removed in RS4, what workaround can I use?

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  1.    20 Apr 2018 #1

    Homegroup removed in RS4, what workaround can I use?


    Hi!

    Another dumb decision. The homegroup was a convenient way to share files, between many versions of windows.
    Now it's gone. You'd need accounts on all machines (unrealistic at home), and you'd need to log-in to all of them, manually.
    Of course you'd need to do this on every computer...

    Anyway to re-add (re-enable?) the feature?

    If that's (sadly) impossible, is there a convenient few-click program to take it's place? tHAT
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  2.    20 Apr 2018 #2

    It now reverts back to tried and tested workgroup which is enabled and can be as simple as HG
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       20 Apr 2018 #3

    avada said: View Post
    You'd need accounts on all machines (unrealistic at home), and you'd need to log-in to all of them, manually.
    Homegroup has always been 'temperamental' at best, the tried and trusted Workgroup networking is solid and reliable.

    For ease of access without needing accounts on all machines, open the' Network and Sharing Centre' and click 'Advanced sharing settings'. Now turn off 'Password protected sharing'. Security is now controlled by the permissions of the share as set by the machine doing the sharing. For a home network where security isn't a big issue, you could just grant the EVERYONE group full control.
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       20 Apr 2018 #4

    Samuria said: View Post
    It now reverts back to tried and tested workgroup which is enabled and can be as simple as HG
    I've never understood Homrgroup, nor seen a rationale for it.
    Hung a HDD my router thinking wifie (Mac only) and I could share files. Not, never could make Home group and HDD play nice. Not ready for Prime Time was my conclusion.
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  5.    20 Apr 2018 #5

    Bree said: View Post
    Homegroup has always been 'temperamental' at best, the tried and trusted Workgroup networking is solid and reliable.

    For ease of access without needing accounts on all machines, open the' Network and Sharing Centre' and click 'Advanced sharing settings'. Now turn off 'Password protected sharing'. Security is now controlled by the permissions of the share as set by the machine doing the sharing. For a home network where security isn't a big issue, you could just grant the EVERYONE group full control.
    Well, this is another issue. Having a shared password was both convenient and provided some security.
    Also it seems finding computers on the network now has issues: Network Computers are Not Visible in Windows 10 Version 1803
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       20 Apr 2018 #6

    avada said: View Post
    ...it seems finding computers on the network now has issues: Network Computers are Not Visible in Windows 10 Version 1803
    1803 is an Insider build and not publically available yet. Not finding other computers on the network is often cured by turning on SMB1. An upgrade to a newer version (like 1703>1709 or 1709>1803) would have turned off SMB1 by default.

    1803 still includes SMB1, should you need it (as I do) for accessing legacy servers such as a NAS.

    NAS / Linux users and Spring update edition SMB1 settings changed

    Tutorial: Enable or Disable SMB1 File Sharing Protocol in Windows
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       20 Apr 2018 #7

    The demise of Homegroup is by design, but the issue caused by Wannacry is still causing issues. The "Advanced Networking" that is now , Again, the preferred method relies on the Old Computer Browser System from af far back as NT days, this in turn communicates over SMB1, If you do not want to re-enable the SMB1 protocol, (windows 10 + a decent antimalware should be safe), you can still access systems (with the network requirement met - Same Workgroup, File and printer sharing,Network discovery on, and some folders shared ), by using the \\Server\Folder or \\IP\Folder methods
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  8.    20 Apr 2018 #8

    Barman58 said: View Post
    The demise of Homegroup is by design, but the issue caused by Wannacry is still causing issues. The "Advanced Networking" that is now , Again, the preferred method relies on the Old Computer Browser System from af far back as NT days, this in turn communicates over SMB1, If you do not want to re-enable the SMB1 protocol, (windows 10 + a decent antimalware should be safe), you can still access systems (with the network requirement met - Same Workgroup, File and printer sharing,Network discovery on, and some folders shared ), by using the \\Server\Folder or \\IP\Folder methods
    Okay. So which is the simplest and most similar method?
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       20 Apr 2018 #9

    There is the older version as described in my above post - It's what we all used before Homegroup, and by many instead of Homegroup. There is a basic tutorial (offsite) here which should get you started. Each of the component parts are covered more fully in our own tutorials.

    You would as you say need accounts on each machine and manually set share and File permissions, but with careful, (Creative?), setup there is no need to have the same user on every device - simply set the shares to everyone and if you wish turn off password authentication as proposed above

    You you can use the Public "User" who's files are shared automatically with everyone

    As this Workgroup networking has been in use for many years it's possible that you may be able to share with your wife's machine directly, but best to check with Mac documentation

    Microsoft would prefer, (I believe), that you use their OneDrive system to share files, (but why use the internet to share a file to someone 20 Feet away )

    Another method is a Bluetooth Network Which can really work well if you have Smartphones and tablets but is still not simple to set up

    Additional - One other issue that affected the withdrawal of Homegroup was that it Relied on IPv6 which needed to be turned off in some markets as it caused issues with various system processes
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       20 Apr 2018 #10

    Barman58 said: View Post
    There is the older version as described in my above post - It's what we all used before Homegroup, and by many instead of Homegroup. There is a basic tutorial (offsite) here which should get you started. Each of the component parts are covered more fully in our own tutorials.

    You would as you say need accounts on each machine and manually set share and File permissions, but with careful, (Creative?), setup there is no need to have the same user on every device - simply set the shares to everyone and if you wish turn off password authentication as proposed above

    You you can use the Public "User" who's files are shared automatically with everyone

    As this Workgroup networking has been in use for many years it's possible that you may be able to share with your wife's machine directly, but best to check with Mac documentation

    Microsoft would prefer, (I believe), that you use their OneDrive system to share files, (but why use the internet to share a file to someone 20 Feet away )

    Another method is a Bluetooth Network Which can really work well if you have Smartphones and tablets but is still not simple to set up

    Additional - One other issue that affected the withdrawal of Homegroup was that it Relied on IPv6 which needed to be turned off in some markets as it caused issues with various system processes
    Thanks
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