Windows 10: How to make different computers see network the same way.

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  1.    05 Mar 2018 #1

    How to make different computers see network the same way.


    I have 4 computers on my home network using a Netgear R7000 router. It does not have a HomeGroup.

    1 Windows 10 pro, cable
    2 Windows 10 Pro, wireless latop
    3 windows 10 Home, wireless laptop
    4 Windows 98, cable

    My goal: I would like to have #1, #2 & #3 see each other and to be able to map #4 to drives/folders on #1, #2 & #3.

    Describing each computer in [Networks] of File Explorer:
    #1 can't see any other computers, including itself.
    #2 Sees all other computers, including itself and Readyshare of then R7000 router.
    #3 Sees itself only.
    #4 Used to map to drives on #1, #2 & #3, but now it wants a password. the login passwords don't work.

    Question-1 I especially can't understand why #1 doesn't see the same as #2. How can I make that happen?

    Question-2 On #4, When I try to map to drives on #1, #2 & #3 it asks for a password. Where do I set that up?

    Question-3 Should I establish a HomeGroup?
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  2. Bree's Avatar
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       05 Mar 2018 #2

    Answering the last question first - no, don't set up a HomeGroup. Apart from never having worked terribly reliably, HomeGroup is being removed in the next release of Windows 10, due out in April.

    A note about HomeGroup: ...with today’s build you’ll start to see us retire the HomeGroup service. HomeGroup was terrific for the pre-cloud and pre-mobile era, but today this functionality is built right into Windows 10 and apps. Starting with this build, the HomeGroup service is no longer operational in Windows 10...
    Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast+Skip Build 17063 for PC Insider - Windows 10 Forums

    Question-1 I especially can't understand why #1 doesn't see the same as #2. How can I make that happen?
    Check to see if you have SMB1 enabled on all Win10 PCs. You'll need it for the older '98 PC on the network. See this thread for more on setting up SMB1....
    No longer able to see my computers under "network" in File explorer.

    Question-2 On #4, When I try to map to drives on #1, #2 & #3 it asks for a password. Where do I set that up?
    By default sharing on Windows 10 uses password-protected sharing.

    When password protected sharing is turned on, only people who have a user account and password on your computer can access shared files, printers attached to your computer, and the Public folders.
    Turn On or Off Password Protected Sharing in Windows 10

    You may need to turn off password-protected sharing for the '98 PC to be able to connect. Turned off, protection is controlled by the ntfs permissions on the folder being shared. The simplest way to let the '98 PC see the files on the folder being shared would be to grant EVERYONE a minimum or Read permission on that folder.

    Connecting the other way (Win10 reading/writing to a share on '98) is much easier to set up, you may find it simpler just to do all your transfers to/from the '98 PC from the Win10 machines.
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  3.    07 Mar 2018 #3

    Thanks Bree. My system seems to be working pefectly now.

    I enabled SMB1 on the three Windows 10 computers. I also changed settings to match another recent thread, Suddenly sharing not working Solved - Windows 10 Forums because my experience has been that the computers have been seeing differently at different times.

    Each of my three Win10 computers can see the other two now. The Win98 still demands a password in order to map to the Win10s, but I have accomplish my purpose by mapping each Win10 to folders on the Win98 -- accessing Win98 from the Win10s.

    All seems to be working just the way I wanted it. I consider the problem solved

    Regarding SMB1, I learned with google that SMB1 is vulnerable to the WannaCry Trojan ransomware virus aka MEM:Trojan.Win64.EquationDrug.gen. My Kaspersky Internet Security claims to protect against WannaCry with its System Watcher component. I am willing to depend on Kaspersky to keep its detection technology current.

    I am curious that my Windows 10 computer #1 shows itself and #2,#3 and #4 as part of the network in File Explorer, while #2 and #3 show only the other two Win10 computers -- but not themselves nor #4=Win98. What could explain this?
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  4.    07 Mar 2018 #4

    What network is running on win98 as by default it used to use netbui and there was not tcip unless you added it
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       07 Mar 2018 #5

    stanhilliard said: View Post
    Regarding SMB1, I learned with google that SMB1 is vulnerable to the WannaCry Trojan ransomware virus...
    As I understand it, the most vulnerable part of SMB1 is the Server. Up to 1703 there was just the one 'tick box' in Window Features to control SMB1. In the wake of WannaCry 1709 expanded this to add individual control over the Client and Server functions (plus a third option to automatically remove SMB1 if not used for 15 days).

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    Only the Client need be enabled for network discovery to see the PC names on the network and to be able to connect to shares on a legacy server like the '98 PC. The Server is only required if you want the '98 PC to be able to connect to W10 shares.

    I have accomplish my purpose by mapping each Win10 to folders on the Win98 -- accessing Win98 from the Win10s.
    Then you don't need the Server.
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  6.    08 Mar 2018 #6

    Samuria said: View Post
    What network is running on win98 as by default it used to use netbui and there was not tcip unless you added it
    In Device Manager: Linksys LNE100TX(v5) Fast Ethernet Adapter
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       08 Mar 2018 #7

    stanhilliard said: View Post
    Samuria said: View Post
    What network is running on win98 as by default it used to use netbui and there was not tcip unless you added it
    In Device Manager: Linksys LNE100TX(v5) Fast Ethernet Adapter
    That tells us the hardware, but not the protocol(s) it is running. In Win95/98 look in Control Panel > Network.

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  8.    08 Mar 2018 #8

    Bree said: View Post
    Only the Client need be enabled for network discovery to see the PC names on the network and to be able to connect to shares on a legacy server like the '98 PC. The Server is only required if you want the '98 PC to be able to connect to W10 shares.

    Then you don't need the Server.
    I switched #1 SMB1 server off & rebooted. Following that #1 & #4 did not display in the Network section of File Manager. (The mapping from #1 to #4 still worked as before.)

    So I switched the server back on. Still, #1 and #4 did not show as they did before turning the SMB1 server off! That doesn't make sense to me. The next morning (today, after being shut off overnight) #1 and #4 were back in #1's Network!

    Factors that might explain the apparent instability:

    (1) I am wondering if order of startup matters to how sharing works -- I started #4 first and then #1.

    (2) Also startup of #1 was unusual today. It took an extremely long time. It hung on a screen that offers a duel boot choice between Win10 and a Macriam recovery system. Instead of a 10 second wait, I waited 10 minutes and then walked away for an hour. At that time the long delay had finished and #1 was at its login screen.

    I am happy with current capabilities but would like to understand that strangeness.
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       08 Mar 2018 #9

    stanhilliard said: View Post
    ...I am happy with current capabilities but would like to understand that strangeness.
    You don't actually get the names from each PC itself, you ask the Master Browser for a list of PCs it has found. Only one PC will be the Master Browser, they hold an election when a new PC is powered up - could be any of the PCs depending on the order in which they were turned on.

    Similar problem and some fixes here....

    windows 10 not showing computers in network in file browser
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  10.    09 Mar 2018 #10

    Bree said: View Post
    That tells us the hardware, but not the protocol(s) it is running. In Win95/98 look in Control Panel > Network.

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    Bindings Tab:
    [X] IPX/SPX-compatible Protocol -> Linksys LNE101TX(v5)Fast Ethernet Adapter
    [X] NetBeui -> Linksys LNE101TX(v5)Fast Ethernet Adapter
    [X] TCP/IP -> Linksys LNE101TX(v5)Fast Ethernet Adapter
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