Windows 10: Win 10 Network sharing failure

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  1.    11 Feb 2018 #1

    Win 10 Network sharing failure


    Hi

    For some reason this has stopped working as expected (I think) after creator's update on PC had to be applied manually as automated update kept failing.

    I am trying to share specific folders between laptop and pc which was working fine before and I was able to see both machines from either machine under Network. I was using a syncing program, Beyond Compare. Both machines are running Windows 10. And I could sync from either machine to the other.

    Having looked at this to try to resolve it I am not now sure that I am confusing Homegroup and Network Sharing as at one point I appeared to have icons for both (?) showing under Network. There were certainly duplicated icons in any case, some being the win 10 library icon and the others the standard windows folder with green bar, but for same folders. I was also in position of being unable to leave homegroup and unable to create another.

    Steps so far and current situation:
    1. C:\Windows\ServiceProfiles\LocalService\AppData\RoamingDeleted folder PeerNetworking and all contents
    2. Restarted both machines
    3. Made sure that following were running and set to automatic:Homegroup ListenerHomegroup ProviderPeer Networking GroupingUPnP Device Host
    4. Restarted machines again
    5. This enabled me to remove a homegroup that was not previously removing
    6. Once both machines showing no homegroup and I was able to create one...Then created new Homegroup on Laptop, Joined it on PC. Still unable to see laptop under Networks.
    7. Removed Homegroup altogether
    8. Shared out required folders on both PC Laptop and PC by right clicking on each and sharing to my username which is same on both PC and laptop.


    Now have PC's folders showing as available under network on laptop and able to use syncing program from laptop to PC. BUT unable to see laptop's shared folders on laptop and use syncing program from PC.

    I am sure is should not be this hard! Can anyone shed any light? Thanks in advance.
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  2.    11 Feb 2018 #2

    Have you tried using the laptop's IP address on the PC instead? Thus instead of \\machine-name\share-name you'd use \\192.168.0.17\share-name (where you substitute the PC's IP address for the random private IP I plugged in here; you can get the PC's IP address by running ipconfig at the command line on that machine, or through any number of other tools and utilities). This often works when NetBIOS naming or SMB issues get in the way, of which I suspect one, the other, or both may be involved here.
    HTH,
    --Ed--
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  3.    11 Feb 2018 #3

    Is NetBIOS running on both PCs?
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  4.    11 Feb 2018 #4

    EdTittel said: View Post
    Have you tried using the laptop's IP address on the PC instead? Thus instead of \\machine-name\share-name you'd use \\192.168.0.17\share-name (where you substitute the PC's IP address for the random private IP I plugged in here; you can get the PC's IP address by running ipconfig at the command line on that machine, or through any number of other tools and utilities). This often works when NetBIOS naming or SMB issues get in the way, of which I suspect one, the other, or both may be involved here.
    HTH,
    --Ed--
    Thanks Ed, will give that one a go and post back.
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  5.    11 Feb 2018 #5

    Samuria said: View Post
    Is NetBIOS running on both PCs?
    Thanks for reply. I tried checking that before posting but he new Windows interface makes it harder to find. I used to know where to look. Now I always spend more time looking for it. Can you tell me where I look please?
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  6.    11 Feb 2018 #6

    Hey kevvyb,
    You can see if NetBIOS is running ...

    Open a Command Prompt and type ipconfig /all

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  7.    11 Feb 2018 #7

    It is worth noting MS have said next version will no longer have Homegroups.

    I recommend using conventional network sharing now, and make sure the network profiles are set to private (slightly confusing as public means "for use in public areas" and sharing is more restricted, and private means reverse "for use in private areas and sharing is more open).
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  •    11 Feb 2018 #8

    Eagle51 said: View Post
    Hey kevvyb,
    You can see if NetBIOS is running ...


    Open a Command Prompt and type ipconfig /all

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    Here's a funny thing. Disabled on BOTH machines! At least, on default setting.
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  •    11 Feb 2018 #9

    If you run this tool on both pcs it often kicks it back into life note which is master browser NetBScanner - NetBIOS scanner
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  •    12 Feb 2018 #10

    Samuria said: View Post
    If you run this tool on both pcs it often kicks it back into life note which is master browser NetBScanner - NetBIOS scanner
    Run on PC finds one other, the laptop which shows as master browser (what does this mean please?)
    PC itself not detected.

    Running tool on laptop finds one computer, the PC which is not master browser.

    NetBios remains disabled on both machines (do I need to restart?)
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