Office 2019 - Microsoft Account needed?

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    Office 2019 - Microsoft Account needed?

    I am still using Office 2007 but maybe it's time to think about upgrading or buying a completely new version if this is not possible.

    Once again the prices of Office seem expensive. I'm not interested in Office 365 or any cloud based application but an Office version that is locally installed and without a Microsoft account. Can I do this? I think I read somewhere that this is not possible with Office 2019.

    Older versions of a locally installed Office (e.g. Office Home and Student 2007) could be installed on three computers but I don't know if this is possible with the newer versions.

    My other concern is security. With a Microsoft Account is there not a danger that personal data from a computer is backed up in the cloud whether intentionally or non intentionally? (here I am thinking of Google Android mobile settings where a back up or record of a process is switched off but somehow it isn't...).
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  2. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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    Because you have a Microsoft Account does not mean you have to put anything in the cloud.

    If you buy Office you basically buy an empty box with a product key inside. You get an account, register your key and download the software. If you need to download again you log in. (how many times you download and activate is contained in agreement)

    Now you may already have a MS account you can use. Any, Hotmail, MSN or live email account counts as a MS account. As you are on Win 10 you may already have an account if you used the Store for an app.

    While MS will let you use any email account as the name for a MS account I recommend using an account name like We see people use their gmail name or yahoo name and then some time later say their gmail password doesn't work. Makes sense it doesn't work, you created a name with unique credentials at Microsoft and while the name may be the same as your account somewhere else the credentials are unique. By using a MS name then it stays separated in our heads.

    Office 365 can be a good a deal. The subscriptions allows for the use on five (think I recently saw six) devices. I work with families who want at least three copies so it is cost effective, especially if you want the Outlook 20XX mail client. Again you don't have to store data in the cloud.

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    Many thanks for your advice so far.

    My operating system is on a Local Account (this is intentional). So I guess what you are saying is that I can separate Office 2019 from Windows in terms of a Microsoft Account i.e. I will not be obliged to have a Microsoft Account on Windows 10 and I can log out of a Microsoft Account linked to Office 2019 once it is installed and activated? I'm not really interested in all this synchronisation...

    I'm not sure I can get my head around Office 365 and having to pay subscriptions every year...

    Does this also mean that there is no way to install a new version of Office i.e. 2019 on an offline computer without a Microsoft Account and through telephone activation only?
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    Just an additional point. How dangerous is it security wise to still be running Office 2007 now? Have there been any documented exploits since the end of extended support on 10 October 2017?
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    FWIW, I'm using Office 2019 without a MS account. You can easily sign out of your MS account in Office 2019 once installed and activated. By the way, have you checked the MS Office 2019 prices on Amazon? They're very competitive here in the US.
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  6. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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    Get use to the subscription model. Great for revenue and revenue drives stock price and money drives the world.

    Buying software is a dying breed. Like I said depending on needs the five or six versions you get make it cheap. I can easily use five licenses. It also stays current. Not for everyone but a good deal for many.

    I use Quicken, use to buy and use for three years online. Now only subscription. Think Quickbooks is the same. Don't use Adobe but I think they are also moving to that model. Not much different than buying AV licenses every year.

    You have to download the software, it is not included in package. Until you download there is nothing to activate. Just like activating Windows, you activate and moved on. You will activate 2019 , sign out and use your software.
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  7. Try3's Avatar
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    I am still using Office 2007
    I am also still using Office 2007.

    I do not need any of the additional capabilities of later versions [which are mostly to do with group editing & sharing within organised teams].

    I am aware of one significant security improvement though.
    - Office files that have an open-file password from Versions 2010 onwards are much harder to crack than Office 2007 ones because the module that assesses whether or not a password is correct has been deliberately slowed down in later versions & even hackers have to use that module.
    - That slowness hinders 'brute force' password cracking which is the only method for Excel & Word 2007 onwards. Small Access 2007 databases [<25MB] are, so it was alleged online, crackable by methods other than 'brute force' attacks so I stopped using Access 2007 for anything that needed protection.
    - Office 2007 was itself a major improvement [Office 2003 passwords were laughably easy to crack very quickly]
    - None of the free online password-cracking services I tested out were able to crack my Office 2007 passwords even though they boasted about being able to do so.
    - For my Office 2007 Excel & Word files, I use 18-21 character passwords {random-characters} so that such hackers would only have a 1/1,000,000 chance of cracking them within the 100 hour hacking service they commonly provide. Do please note that I based my analysis on likely processing speeds 25 years or further into our future.
    - If I had Office 2010 or later then I understand I'd achieve the same level of protection with passwords that are significantly shorter [but I have never sat down and calculated the difference].
    - There is a longer exchange about this in Password Managers Newbie Re Password Safe - TenForums

    How dangerous is it security wise to still be running Office 2007 now? Have there been any documented exploits since the end of extended support on 10 October 2017?
    I have been watching out for reports of exploits but have yet to see any. But, for all we know, they might appear tomorrow.

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    Caledon Ken - It's still hard for me to get around the software subscription model but we will see. The 3 user Office 2007 CD that I have now seems like a gem from the past...

    garyb0125 - In terms of Amazon I need to trust the supplier as there are many dodgy product keys floating around. I know someone in the business who told me so. However I suppose there is a guarantee on return should the consumer have a problem.

    Try3 - Thanks for that long list of Office 2007 security and password information. I have been a bit slow on the uptake of buying a new version simply because of the cost. Only last year all the computers at home were upgraded to Windows 10 but that didn't cost too much because I was able to use Windows 7 product keys to do this.

    I had been considering using either Apache OpenOffice or LibreOffice as free alternatives to Microsoft Office but I was thinking that sooner or later something in these free applications won't work as in Microsoft Office, which the majority of businesses and individuals use and with whom we need to interact with on a daily basis.
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  9. Try3's Avatar
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    Whilst I chose to stick with Office 2007, many people in this forum praise the free alternatives such as, but not limited to, Apache OpenOffice & LibreOffice
    - I use VBA to automate some repetitive tasks within Access, Excel, Word & Outlook. That is a limiting factor for me because I do not want to give up the benefit of VBA.
    - The free alternatives do not include the full equivalent of Outlook. None of them have any VBA capability.

    There is a very useful discussion of your options in I Need “Office”, What Should I Get? Pros vs Cons, You Decide - Rohn007 - MSAForum Rohn is a very highly regarded contributor to Office forums.

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    Good point about VBA. I used to use it although I haven't had the need to for the last few years.

    That list is very comprehensive. The writer (Rohn007) should be awarded an honorary doctorate for it.

    I love this quote from within his post:

    Guess what, MS is in BUSINESS to Make MONEY!
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