Ms confirms - eventually Office to be subscription only

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  1. pparks1's Avatar
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    SIW2 said:
    For many situations, they are not desirable. It seems MS intends to push all customers into a rental model, gradually. That is not a good thing.
    I think that you don't think it's a good thing. i wouldn't say across the board it's not a good thing.

    I'd be interested in seeing a Windows 365 program offering a subscription option for my OS. Right now, I spend $200 for each copy of Windows 10 Pro, and I'm running 3 machines....so I'm out $600 with the old model.
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  2. SIW2's Avatar
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       #42

    It is not good that subscription will be the only method in the future.
    Why is that hard to understand?
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  3. pparks1's Avatar
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       #43

    SIW2 said:
    It is not good that subscription will be the only method in the future.
    Why is that hard to understand?
    I can see more concerns if it's the "only" method available. I know there has always been talk of subscription only. Those concerns existed with Office365 in 2011, but he we are going into 2019 and there are still non-subscription options.

    I can certainly see the incentive from the business side with recurring revenue, and that increase in recurring revenue is the method in which we can get the extras...like the cloud storage space via OneDrive you get with Office365. Even though I get 6TB of storage, I'm not able to use anywhere near 6TB of storage. But more or less, my cloud storage these days is unliimited.

    I would say that by the time that MS decides subscription is the only way to go, either they will have bundled more in, dropped the price or there would be a variety of alternatives available to people.

    Time will tell.
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       #44

    Hi,
    Yep best thing about lease terms and price hikes can change with the wind direction
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  5. Wiley Coyote's Avatar
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       #45

    As a FWIW, I already have one app that's gone to a subscription base a year ago. Annual cost is nearly what the purchased price had been running. Sounds like maybe a savings, BUT the subscription is only for one year and if I don't renew it the app locks up everything (including my data) as Read Only losing the online features. Whereas previously buying a CD and installing the app, it would run for years all the time maintaining support for at least three years.

    I'm onboard with it, but still not convinced I'm happy about it. We'll see ...
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  6. SIW2's Avatar
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       #46

    The title of the thread is
    Ms confirms - eventually Office to be subscription only


    pparks1 said:
    I can see more concerns if it's the "only" method available. I know there has always been talk of subscription only. Those concerns existed with Office365 in 2011, but he we are going into 2019 and there are still non-subscription options.

    I can certainly see the incentive from the business side with recurring revenue, and that increase in recurring revenue is the method in which we can get the extras...like the cloud storage space via OneDrive you get with Office365. Even though I get 6TB of storage, I'm not able to use anywhere near 6TB of storage. But more or less, my cloud storage these days is unliimited.

    I would say that by the time that MS decides subscription is the only way to go, either they will have bundled more in, dropped the price or there would be a variety of alternatives available to people.

    Time will tell.
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  7. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #47

    Hi folks.

    If the bean counters at Ms estimate that even including churn (subscribers not renewing / cancelling) over any 5 year period they stand to gain between 500 and 600 USD per subscriber as opposed to individual perpetual licenses then that's a hideously large sum of money for the estimated subscriber numbers.

    400 USD for say Office 2019 works out at approx. 80 USD a year for 5 years and then zero !! == doesn't take a genius in Maths to see where cross over point is !!!! especially for people buying cheaper Home and student etc.

    even cheaper if you don't need the PRO edition

    A one-time purchase of Office 2016 -- for either Windows PCs or Macs -- costs $149 for the Office Home & Student; $229 for the Office Home and Business; and $399 for Office Professional.

    BTW for office 2010 users it's still supported until approx. end of 2020.

    Most people don't need the full pro suite -- home and student is fine -- for email client use thunderbird(free) or similar.

    Also plenty of legal discounters around so you don't necessarily have to pay the Ms price. Some places do "Loss leaders" etc. Discounting is 100% legal -- jus though check the provenance of the source before buying.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. pparks1's Avatar
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       #48

    SIW2 said:
    The title of the thread is
    Ms confirms - eventually Office to be subscription only
    Understand, but according to Mary Jo Foley, a couple of weeks ago stated;

    Update (September 24): Microsoft officials also confirmed today that there will be another on-premises, perpetual version of both its Office clients and servers after Office 2019. (Before today, all we could get was a "maybe.") Microsoft isn't providing any timing guidelines as to when the successor to Office 2019 client and server will be available, but they are definitely on the roadmap, as a result of customer feedback.
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  9. Bree's Avatar
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       #49

    pparks1 said:
    Understand, but according to Mary Jo Foley, a couple of weeks ago stated;

    Update (September 24): Microsoft officials also confirmed today that there will be another on-premises, perpetual version of both its Office clients and servers after Office 2019. (Before today, all we could get was a "maybe.") Microsoft isn't providing any timing guidelines as to when the successor to Office 2019 client and server will be available, but they are definitely on the roadmap, as a result of customer feedback.

    And that article linked to this from Microsoft as one of their sources, which says....
    Microsoft said:
    Office 2019 is a valuable update for customers who aren’t yet ready for the cloud. And each time we release a new on-premises version of Office, customers ask us if this will be our last. We’re pleased to confirm that we’re committed to another on-premises release in the future. While the cloud offers real benefits in productivity, security, and total cost of ownership, we recognize that each customer is at a different point in their adoption of cloud services. We see the on-premises version of Office as an important part of our commitment to give customers the flexibility they need to move to the cloud at their own pace.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/micr...ndows-and-mac/

    ...which is somewhat at odds with the title of this thread. 'Eventually' seems to be a long way off at present....
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  10. pparks1's Avatar
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       #50

    jimbo45 said:
    Most people don't need the full pro suite -- home and student is fine -- for email client use thunderbird(free) or similar.
    Yep, so I don't think there should be too much fear yet. You can get the current Office 2019 Home for about $149. And it seems like from what Mary Jo was saying from Ignite that there will be another perpetual license version after Office 2019.

    I still use Microsoft Money 2004. It's not been supported for years, but it still works and still balances my checkbook, which is all that I need. I don't really need security updates for something that I just run at home to add and subtract some numbers.

    And maybe 10 years out in the future, maybe MS can reduce the single person Office365 subscription price from $69 a year to $49 a year. Or maybe the new sub model includes both Office and Windows licensing, who knows.

    Sounds like perpetual license purchasers have more versions to come and time.
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