Windows 10: Windows 10 reinstallation fails - Media on USB drive does not boot

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  1.    06 Dec 2017 #1

    Windows 10 reinstallation fails - Media on USB drive does not boot


    Folks,

    I need to replace my failing (but still functioning) Hard Drive on my Dell XPS 8300 Desktop. The operating system is Windows 10.

    My plan has been to buy a brand new hard drive (DONE), install a fresh bootable Windows 10 operating system on it while connected via USB, swap the old and the new drives, and then reinstall all other applications on the new drive one by one, and finally copy the data back on. No rush, but should work.

    I bought the new drive, connected it to the computer via USB (using a USB 2.0 to SATA/IDE device made by SIIG), then from (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10) downloaded the Media Creation tool (MediaCreationTool.exe), ran it from the desktop, created the ESD-USB file structure on the new hard drive, and restarted the computer.

    When restarting the computer, I went into the setup (F2) to change the boot order:

    • First time, I placed the ‘USB Hard drive’ ahead of the Main hard drive. The Main hard drive booted ignoring the ‘USB’ Hard drive.
    • Second time, I tried again by fully disabling the main Hard drive, but with that setting, the computer didn’t start at all and I got the following message:


    ‘Reboot and Select proper Boot device
    Or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key’

    So why am I failing to boot from the external hard drive?

    Is my strategy of directly installing the new Windows 10 on the external Hard drive wrong?

    The Microsoft support site’s instruction is to use a ‘USB flash drive or DVD.’ But instead of the USB flash drive, I used the actual Hard Drive that I intend to install Windows 10 on. Is that wrong? And why? I did so on the understanding that the instruction to use a flash drive or DVD is so as to install the operating system on a different PC. In my case I want to install on the existing PC but on a new drive.

    One way of course would be to follow the Microsoft instruction create the new installation media on the flash drive or DVD, swap the drives and boot from the flash drive or DVD. But why would the Windows Creation media boot from the flash drive or DVD but not from the USB Hard drive?

    Another reason for wanting to install Windows directly on the external Hard Drive is to have access to all my application at all times.

    Help please.
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  2. Posts : 5,385
    10 Home x64 (1709) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       06 Dec 2017 #2

    I would approach the problem a different way. While your current HDD is still working, why not make a system image including any data partitions to an external HDD? Then you could swap out the failing drive, put the new one in and restore the image to it. You'd end up with the same system with all your apps and files, but running on a new drive.

    If you don't have a CD/DVD drive you'd need to make a USB Recovery Drive (no need to include system files) and boot from that to perform the restore. If you do have a CD/DVD drive you are offered the chance to make a restore boot disk at the end of making a system image.

    Create System Image in Windows 10

    Create Recovery Drive in Windows 10
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  3.    06 Dec 2017 #3

    Use the media creation tool to download ISO to your working windows installation. Format your external HDD NTFS. Mount your ISO, and open command as admin. Run this command changing paths as necessary. Now reboot, and select external to boot from.
    Code:
    Dism /apply-image /imagefile:N:\Sources\install.wim /index:1 /ApplyDir:E:\
    Make sure you install the correct image, as MS has several images in one install.wim. You can check which number corresponds to the version you wish to install by running this command after mounting the ISO.
    Code:
    dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:N:\sources\install.wim
    Again you will want to change the path letter to correspond to the drive of your mounted ISO.
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  4. Posts : 2,252
    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       07 Dec 2017 #4

    flybynite said: View Post
    Use the media creation tool to download ISO to your working windows installation. Format your external HDD NTFS. Mount your ISO, and open command as admin. Run this command changing paths as necessary. Now reboot, and select external to boot from.
    Code:
    Dism /apply-image /imagefile:N:\Sources\install.wim /index:1 /ApplyDir:E:\
    Make sure you install the correct image, as MS has several images in one install.wim. You can check which number corresponds to the version you wish to install by running this command after mounting the ISO.
    Code:
    dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:N:\sources\install.wim
    Again you will want to change the path letter to correspond to the drive of your mounted ISO.
    You have the right idea but your instruction will not work. The command above does what Windows installation would do ie. extract the content of install.wim to the root folder of the destination drive. However, You also need to create additional partition for bootmgr (System Reserved for MBR type installation or EFI System/Recovery/MSR for GPT).

    OR:
    run bcdboot E:\Windows which uses the current Bootmgr to dual boot. (assuming E: is the destination drive you unzip install.wim to)

    @GeorgeCOR
    Yes, you can install Windows from the HD. Create a small partition (8GB) on the HD, format as FAT32, set active then extract the content of the ISO to it.
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  5.    07 Dec 2017 #5

    Thank you. I completely forgot that part. EasyBCD works really well for this.
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  6. Posts : 2,252
    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       07 Dec 2017 #6

    flybynite said: View Post
    Thank you. I completely forgot that part. EasyBCD works really well for this.
    Easy BCD would work ie. create a BCD in C: Drive (without System Reserved). However, Easy BCD only works with MBR type installation, does not support UEFI)
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  7.    07 Dec 2017 #7

    topgundcp said: View Post
    Easy BCD would work ie. create a BCD in C: Drive (without System Reserved). However, Easy BCD only works with MBR type installation, does not support UEFI)
    This is from the neosmart.net site.
    If your Windows PC is booting in EFI mode, Microsoft has blocked the loading of legacy or non-Windows operating systems from the BCD menu. This means that you can no longer use EasyBCD to add Windows 9x, XP, or Server 2003 entries to the BCD bootloader menu. You also cannot add DOS, Linux, BSD, or Mac entries. You can add multiple Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10 entries; and you can also boot into BCD-based portable media, such as WinPE 2.0+ images.
    Code:
    https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/uefi/
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  8. Posts : 2,252
    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       07 Dec 2017 #8
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  9.    07 Dec 2017 #9

    Well you would know better than I since my MB is MBR only.
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  10.    07 Dec 2017 #10

    Boot order does not matter if new drive is blank as pc will boot from a usb drive automatically as searches in boot order until it finds an OS.
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