Redoing my system

Tony K · 28 Oct 2017

Kari said:

Good to know you got it done as planned!

Thanks. All in all, it went well. Very satisfied how it all went. Did a little tweaking with procedure list.

Never knew that about my UEFI BIOS. I assumed going on my past experience with legacy BIOS. Never assume is the rule, especially with tech. Lesson learned.

I was amazed at how quick they installed. Watching my time, I would estimate it would take less than 2 hours to set up a dual boot system with the resources that this machine has. Add 1/2 hour each to personalize both. Of course having an MS account and syncing across devices makes it a whole lot quicker and easier. I don't think too many people realize the reality of that. It's great to be a fanboy. :)

I marked this as solved. I'm going to ask Admin to move this out of the lounge so that a newer member I'm helping to clean install can read it if he likes.

Tony K · 28 Oct 2017

Bree said:

As a long-term user of the built-in 'create a system image' on my test machine, I can confirm it still works as well as it ever did in the FCU 1709. I've done both the backup and the restore (several times now). It can only be a matter of time before MS shifts it from 'deprecated' to 'removed' though.

Bree said:

And when abused (like renaming or moving images) it can fall flat on it's face - as I have found to my cost. I know all the pitfalls now and how far I can go before breaking it :)

It will be an interesting experiment if/when it is removed to see if an earlier sdclt.exe with it's associated sdclt.exe.mui will still work. I agree though, Macrium is the best way forwards.

Thanks for the info. I'm about to perform that today if I have the time. Glad to see it's still in FCU. Hopefully MS will add an updated version in 10 some day.

Tony K · 28 Oct 2017

swarfega said:

I did a local account first this time with FCU and I noticed they seem to have changed it. Before you would only get the first name, even on a local account. Now if you enter your full name it uses it verbatim.

Thanks. Good to know. :)

Bree · 28 Oct 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

Hopefully MS will add an updated version in 10 some day.

Don't hold your breath....

Microsoft said:

System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.

Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

Tony K · 28 Oct 2017

Bree said:

Don't hold your breath....

Features removed or Deprecated in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update

Yes, I've read that thread. There's always hope. I realize MR has a free edition, but I'll even pay for an MS app similar as we did with Media Center.

f14tomcat · 29 Oct 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

@Kari and others

I edited my OP adding a procedure list I made in Word. If you have time will you look it over? I can edit if need be as I go along.

Questions:

I think not, but just to be sure > Does BIOS need to be set to default to make ISO(s)?

I will set BIOS to default before starting and make sure it boots from USB. Does secure boot and/or fast boot need to be turned off?

Anything else to set BIOS to?

With setting D: as my “Save-to” drive with both OSs/systems > Will that work, or will there be conflict?

Lots of times, Secure Boot will need to be off. Not every machine everywhere, I'm sure. But lots of them require it.

Just use separate folders on D:. Macrium won't care a bit, it's smart enough.

Tony K · 31 Oct 2017

f14tomcat said:

Lots of times, Secure Boot will need to be off. Not every machine everywhere, I'm sure. But lots of them require it.

Just use separate folders on D:. Macrium won't care a bit, it's smart enough.

Thanks. I found that secure boot does not affect installs with this UEFI. Considering W7 backup remaining, I'm not using MR as of yet. Waiting it out. If/when I need to get it I'll purchase the Pro version.

@Kari and others. In light of a few BSODs in FCU, Insider 17025 acting whacky, problems with instability of Start Screens in both, the summary of events in reliability history below, and reading through log files/events, I’ve decided to redo again. In reading through logs and events, the main problem being is installing with local account then changing to MS account caused many problems with instability, especially with Insider install as seen below.

With Insider problems it also may be due to installing with 17025 ISO as local account then changing to MS account. This time I’m going to use your Windows Insider - Clean install latest Fast Ring build Installation Upgrade Tutorials for Insider install.

Why with my W10 phone and five 10 OSs all signing in with the same MS account, the local account installs just aren’t worth it for me. I’ll just go ahead and install both with MS accounts. As a fanboy that’s ok by me. Not sure when I’ll get to this. I must step out for the day. Hopefully tonight.

And finally, why it gives a history of 10/22 when I installed on 10/29 is beyond me.

FCU
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Insider 17025
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Kari · 31 Oct 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

@Kari and others. In light of a few BSODs in FCU, Insider 17025 acting whacky, problems with instability of Start Screens in both, the summary of events in reliability history below, and reading through log files/events, I’ve decided to redo again. In reading through logs and events, the main problem being is installing with local account then changing to MS account caused many problems with instability, especially with Insider install as seen below.

With Insider problems it also may be due to installing with 17025 ISO as local account then changing to MS account. This time I’m going to use your Windows Insider - Clean install latest Fast Ring build Installation Upgrade Tutorials for Insider install.

Since first preview versions of Windows 8 which introduced Microsoft Account as Windows sign-in account, I have always created the initial admin account as local account when setting up Windows. I do the same with all later user accounts. This is mainly because my first name only has four letters, the first part of all my emails have four letters thus system automatically adding first letter of last name to profile name and giving me a profile name I do not want to use if account was created as Microsoft account.

In addition, call me an stupid old fart if you want to but I hate it when names and sentences are started with a lower case letter. For instance here on forums I simply ignore all posts written completely in lower case, and if I notice that a member does it always I put him / her to ignore list to avoid seeing this in the future. As the email address is usually written with all lower case, I do not like my user profile name being written with lower case first letter.

Having said that, the very first thing I do when signed in first time to my local account, I'll switch to Microsoft account. I like the integration, versatility and flexibility a Microsoft account brings with it. Me always using a local account to set up user accounts really does not mean I would not like Microsoft account. Quite the opposite, I really love using Microsoft account apart from the fact how user profile is named. I want to use user profile name Kari for my personal account, and to achieve that I must set up my user account as local account.

I have never had any issues with this.

Kari

NavyLCDR · 31 Oct 2017

Stupid old fart. I'm just kidding, @Kari. I feel the same way. I even use capitalization and punctuation in phone text messages! I also completely agree with starting with a local account, with my proper user name, John; then switch it to a Microsoft Account login.

Kari · 31 Oct 2017

NavyLCDR said:

I also completely agree with starting with a local account, with my proper user name, John; then switch it to a Microsoft Account login.

You have the same minor issue than I have, a less than five digit first name.

The profile will get proper name when creating user with Microsoft account only if the first name in email ([B]firstname /B].lastname@some_email_provider.com) is exactly five characters, and if the email address was created using upper case first letters like for instance Larry.Laffer@some_emailprovider.com instead of standard larry.laffer@some_emailprovider.com.