updating my BIOS to support UEFI , I need to clean install W/10

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  1. Posts : 70
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       #11

    slicendice said:
    Start by updating BIOS. Don't switch BIOS settings to UEFI mode. Test how Windows works after this upgrade.

    If you ever decide that it's still slow, then buy and install an SSD, switch to UEFI mode in BIOS settings and install Windows on the SSD using your preferred installation method.

    Upgrading BIOS won't force you to run in UEFI mode, it will still support legacy boot.
    Ah, so once I flash my BIOS, will Windows definitely load, as I was worried it wouldnt,? And if it hopefully loads, its because its let to Legacy mode, it wont auto change and stop working will it?. The person even mentions that a Legacy Windows install wont work with UEFI so you have to reinstall

    But then again...my "personalised settings (not responding)". issue was due to RAM. And so updating to UEFI (with Windows reinstall) should hopefully fix it. But if I reinstall Windows on SSD, Windows wont load as I need to switch to UEFI first? little confused about that part

    Sorry that I am dragging this on, need to be 100% certain as I dont feel comfortable changing all this and updating that

    Hopefully you can understand! :)
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  2. AddRAM's Avatar
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       #12

    Who told you you had to switch to UEFI to get windows booting ? That`s horse hockey. You do not have to flash a Bios to get the memory working, more horse hockey.

    Fix your memory problem.

    You can flash your Bios if you want, but that`s not gonna get windows booting if you have a memory issue.

    Have you ever flashed a Bios before ? Do you know what you`re doing ?

    And as far as installing windows in Legacy mode vs UEFI is a matter of choice, there is no speed gain from UEFI, I always install in Legacy mode, I like 1 partition for windows.

    Have you had windows on this pc ? Was it ever running fine ? Did this memory problem arise out of the blue ?

    Give us some background info on that please.
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  3. Posts : 70
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       #13

    AddRAM said:
    Who told you you had to switch to UEFI to get windows booting ? That`s horse hockey. You do not have to flash a Bios to get the memory working, more horse hockey.

    Fix your memory problem.

    You can flash your Bios if you want, but that`s not gonna get windows booting if you have a memory issue.

    And as far as installing windows in Legacy mode vs UEFI is a matter of choice, there is no speed gain from UEFI, I always install in Legacy mode, I like 1 partition for windows.
    Windows boots normally now. My PC is working fine. But 3 random times I recieved "personalised settings (not responding)". I spoke to Microsoft support and they told me its to do with RAM. ATM taskmanager shows memory at 41%, sometimes CD usage is 100%. MSI forums have told me to switch to UEFI as "motherboard BIOS (update) changes how the hardware and memory addressing space is accessed, this has a big influence on Windows". Which seems understandable..I think? What other choice do I have to fix that issue I was facing?
    .

    Here is what he suggests, you can take a read but its a lot of me asking questions haha:
    https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=290365.new;topicseen#new


    Microsoft tech have suggested silly suggestions like; my current MB does not support latest W/10 creator so I need to roll back Windows to W/10 1605v, Someone said to upgrade RAM (I was gonna spend on it), seems like this suggestion is most understandable...kinda?
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  4. slicendice's Avatar
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       #14

    Only thing that will happen when you upgrade your BIOS is that it improves stability, adds support for new hardware, improves performance and add a few new feature.

    Support for BIOS/MBR boot (Legacy Boot) will still remain. If for some reason the BIOS upgrade changes from Legacy boot into UEFI boot, you can always enter BIOS setup and switch it back to legacy mode and save the new setting. It is however unlikely this will happen.

    BIOS v1.7 should improve memory stability, since it seems this particular MB has had some issues with certain RAM.

    You will however NOT gain anything by switching to UEFI/GPT, if you only have one instance of Windows installed.
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  5. Posts : 70
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       #15

    I have not flashed my BIOS before but I have seen many video tuts.
    Go to BIOS, select m-flash and let it update. Then insert USB with W/10 bootable files and re-download that. I am a little scared

    I have had Windows on this PC always. Had W/10 just before the free upgraded ended and its been all fine. Background info on my issue:

    So after Windows update I recieved black screen with "personalised settings (not responding)". Microsoft advised I re-install Windows (whilst keeping files and software). So I did .

    After update was complete (after about 3 hours), it brought me to my Dekstop. The Windows Start menu was bugged, I couldnt click it. So I went to shutdown my PC and recieved a "Task Host is stopping background tasks" (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windo...) but as I was going to bed I forced shutdown. I turned my PC on and AGAIN the black screen issue was there.

    So I spoke to Microsoft officials, they used remote access and somehow fixed it just by pressing 'ctrl, alt, dlt'. That removed black screen with "personalised settings (not responding)". and brought me to desktop.

    Microsoft support have told me that the reason this issue with black screen happens, is because of RAM issues. I need more of it.

    (PC specs)

    updating my BIOS to support UEFI , I need to clean install W/10-ramm.jpg
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  6. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 20H2 Build 19042.906 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #16

    I can with almost 100% confidence tell you that this is a Windows issue, not a RAM or hardware issue.

    What you experience seems to be something that is very common.

    Upgrading your BIOS won't hurt. So do that. But don't touch Windows just yet.

    I believe something went wrong during the upgrade process, most likely because of some AV software interfering with the upgrade or FastBoot had corruptions...oh gosh there are so many reasons....

    You have 2 options now:
    1. Try to fix current Windows installation
    2. Wipe your whole boot drive and reinstall latest Windows from scratch.


    Fixing Windows can take a lot of time
    Reinstalling whole Windows is fast but is not guaranteed to solve your issue.


    What kind of GPU have you installed? That could also be the cause... Your GPU could also be a problem, causing you black screens. I've had a lot of issues with my nVidia GT-540M that sometimes works and sometimes does not...
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  7. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #17

    As stated by several here - legacy BIOS mode versus UEFI booting mode will not solve your RAM issue in the least. That has no affect on how RAM is used. Upgrading the BIOS (which is actually UEFI firmware now, not BIOS) by flashing might solve the issue. And as @slicendice stated upgrading your BIOS by flashing will not change your ability to boot either in legacy BIOS mode (which it is now) or UEFI mode - you just can't switch to UEFI mode until you convert your hard drive to the format required, but legacy BIOS mode will still be there just like it is now.

    I would start by flashing the upgraded BIOS and leave it in legacy BIOS booting mode and see what happens.
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  8. AddRAM's Avatar
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       #18

    You have 8 GB, that is plenty enough to run Windows 10.

    You mention some strange version numbers, what version are you trying to run.

    The Anniversary Update is 1607 ( my personal favorite ) and 1703 is the Creator`s Update.
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  9. slicendice's Avatar
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       #19

    AddRAM said:
    You have 8 GB, that is plenty enough to run Windows 10.

    You mention some strange version numbers, what version are you trying to run.

    The Anniversary Update is 1607 ( my personal favorite ) and 1703 is the Creator`s Update.
    Agreed, plenty of RAM, supported CPU. Nothing to worry about there. Could be that you still have some device drivers installed that latest Windows does not like.

    I also see that servicehost is running...let it complete...it will settle down eventually
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  10. AddRAM's Avatar
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       #20

    I agree with everyone else, go ahead and flash your Bios if you feel you`re ready (do the research first) after you`ve done that, set it to defaults. Then make sure your memory is seated properly and see how windows performs.
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