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  1.    29 Apr 2017 #11
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    Could it be that you have the 64-bit version of the installer?

    I'm pretty sure that won't run in XP (which will be 32-bit unless it's the *very* rare 64-bit version) but even on a clean install, 64-bit is perhaps optimistic; I've only ever got 32 bit to work on my XP-era machine so I'd definitely make sure you're on the 32-bit installer.

    Also, I'd go into XP and make a note of the devices and drivers it's running - I can't remember where you see this but think it might be from a right-click on My Computer? If you can manually find those drivers and download them in advance, so much the better. This will help in getting it going later.

    I'd also observe that I'm having issues getting my XP-era laptop to run the latest version of Windows 10. It works fine with the 'Anniversary Update' (1607) but the Creators' Update (1703) is proving troublesome.

    You may have better luck clean-installing the Anniversary Update (still available from Microsoft using Option 1 from here and using F12 in IE and saying you're running Safari (iPad), because apparently Macs running Boot Camp can't install Creators' Update either but can install the Anniversary Update).

    Finally, I'd perhaps consider Windows 8.1. Windows 8 to XP was a supported route, and then I ended up in 8.1. I suspect Windows 8.1 will keep running more reliably than Windows 10 (where every major version update is a challenge on old hardware) and Windows 8.1 is still in support for a few years; probably more than the hardware will last. The only issue is that the user interface of Windows 8.1 is more challenging for folks who aren't used to it.
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  2.    29 Apr 2017 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Finally, I'd perhaps consider Windows 8.1. Windows 8 to XP was a supported route, and then I ended up in 8.1. ...
    It still would require purchasing a licence else the 8/8.1 would not be activated. At the moment (but who knows for how much longer?) a licenced copy of 8/8.1 can still be upgraded to an activated Windows 10, apparently.
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  3.    29 Apr 2017 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bree View Post
    It still would require purchasing a licence else the 8/8.1 would not be activated. At the moment (but who knows for how much longer?) a licenced copy of 8/8.1 can still be upgraded to an activated Windows 10, apparently.
    True enough - what I was getting at was that Windows 8.1 will potentially keep working longer than Windows 10.
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  4.    30 Apr 2017 #14

    Quote Originally Posted by sn00ker View Post
    So you bought windows 10 and your going to install it on a old laptop just to give it away for charity. You're better off to leave xp . There really isn't much one can do with it on windows 10 that can't be used with xp .
    Hi there

    I still use XP a lot - some legacy hardware I have will only run on XP -- I still cut some VINYL stuff and my studio cutting hardware will only work on XP -- to get new hardware would cost me thousands of USD's -- (approx. 12,000 USD) when my original stuff works just fine and loads of life left in it.

    The main problem though with XP is that any sort of Internet access will be fraught with disaster -- IE for example is much too old to work with a lot of websites and security is about ZERO.

    Running XP as a VM though works fine -- and you might find that for Internet access even a 32 bit version of W7 might work decently on the older hardware. W7 has End of Life around 2020 and loads of corporations are still using it (It's actually become the "New XP" !!!) so you are more likely to find compatible drivers etc than with W8 or W8.1 - neither of which penetrated the business market to any significant degree and even Ms admits that these OS'es were a bit of a mistake.

    Otherwise running versions of Linux (Mint / Ubuntu probably good for beginners) will be fine -and you can easily run Windows VM's on Linux using VBOX or VMWARE Player --both free and easy to install on Linux even for complete noobies.

    @sn00ker

    If your userid is anything like the incredibly fascinating game that's taking place in England (Sheffied Cruciable Threatre) at the moment -- great stuff -- god knows how many hours I've wasted over the last few days watching the World championship Snooker on various BBC / Eurosport / Albanian / Qatari Live TV Sport streams (Thanks Kodi box !!!) -- incredibly addictive !!!!! --Maybe I'll even get to like Cricket !!!!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5.    30 Apr 2017 #15
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    10 pro 64 clean install

    Hey Jimbo .... In my younger years I played the game for a living but stop once my eyes kinda went from age. I'm more of a player than a watcher when it comes to sports... Your username is familiar, might you have the same user name in a lightning rod site ?
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  6.    01 May 2017 #16

    @sn00ker



    My Dad always said "If you were good at that game --sure sign of a Mis-spent Youth" -- looking at what some of the pros are now earning it's one of the few times he's been WRONG !!!! (also supporting Liverpool !!!!! -- 99% here support Manchester Utd - even though probably only around 2% have ever trudged through its Wet rainy streets and certainly never been to Old Trafford -- a really great Stadium though whoever you support)

    Snooker World championship final Sheffield GB 2017. Easy to get BBC feed through any one of a zillion VPN feeds / foreign journalist sites.

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    Cheers
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  7.    01 May 2017 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    You will need to purchase the full retail Windows 10 license, or else you are giving the charity an unlicensed Windows 10, which is more of a hassle than a licensed Windows XP installation.
    Yes the intention is that once the install is successful, I'll purchase additional license for this laptop such that at least, it'll be used with full support and proper licensing.
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  8.    01 May 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Could it be that you have the 64-bit version of the installer?

    I'm pretty sure that won't run in XP (which will be 32-bit unless it's the *very* rare 64-bit version) but even on a clean install, 64-bit is perhaps optimistic; I've only ever got 32 bit to work on my XP-era machine so I'd definitely make sure you're on the 32-bit installer.

    Also, I'd go into XP and make a note of the devices and drivers it's running - I can't remember where you see this but think it might be from a right-click on My Computer? If you can manually find those drivers and download them in advance, so much the better. This will help in getting it going later.

    I'd also observe that I'm having issues getting my XP-era laptop to run the latest version of Windows 10. It works fine with the 'Anniversary Update' (1607) but the Creators' Update (1703) is proving troublesome.

    You may have better luck clean-installing the Anniversary Update (still available from Microsoft using Option 1 from here and using F12 in IE and saying you're running Safari (iPad), because apparently Macs running Boot Camp can't install Creators' Update either but can install the Anniversary Update).

    Finally, I'd perhaps consider Windows 8.1. Windows 8 to XP was a supported route, and then I ended up in 8.1. I suspect Windows 8.1 will keep running more reliably than Windows 10 (where every major version update is a challenge on old hardware) and Windows 8.1 is still in support for a few years; probably more than the hardware will last. The only issue is that the user interface of Windows 8.1 is more challenging for folks who aren't used to it.
    I made sure I was looking at the 32bit installer... Tx for the reminder though.
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  9.    01 May 2017 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bree View Post
    The normal way to do a clean install of Windows 10 is to boot from physical install media (DVD or USB). You can download the Media Creation Tool and use that to make install media for another PC. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
    Ok Gents, armed w/ an win10 install USB created as per this link AND an win7 clean-install DVD, I tried my luck again this past weekend:

    1st off, this machine is SO old that it doesn't even seem to support booting from USB as i can't seem to locate the USB boot option with the BIOS. The best I can manage is selecting 'removable devices' as the 1st in the boot sequence, ahead of CD rom and internal HDD. Needless to say, it doesn't see the USB at all and went to CD/DVD drive.

    Subsequently I tried my luck in terms of booting straight from the win7 install DVD. This time I ran into BSOD, complaining that the BIOS in my x10 is NOT fully ACPI compliant! I'm trying to research into this error but not looking good at the moment! :-(
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  10.    02 May 2017 #20

    Hi there

    sometimes old hardware is just SO OLD that unless you have the time and inclination to get it running it really becomes time to say "Goodbye" and junk it - especially if you intend to give it away to people without good computer knowledge who will really have serious problems with it.

    These days often people are tossing out much newer machines -- a trip down to your local tip (re-cycling centre I think they are called in some places) might pay dividends for redundant machines or you perhaps could simply ask any local businesses in your area if they have any old machines they would be willing to give to a charity.

    I think that is by far the best route -- otherwise if you insist then a linux distro like Mint will be the best bet as it will probably run straight out of the box and can be set up with a GUI very similar to Windows.

    XP while good for some things is not much good now for SAFE Internet access - and IE8 which I believe is the latest browser that is supported on XP won't even work on a load of websites. I'm not sure about Chrome or Firefox - those *might* still work but security will be almost non existent on the XP machine.

    A 32 bit version of W7 should in theory run on it if you still insist on "having a go". You'll have to boot from a DVD ISO and probably disable ACPI in BIOS -- I think there should be a BIOS setting for that.

    W7 and W10 also have I think "Hardware compatibility tests" so you can run these to see if the machine is upgradeable -- a negative result doesn't always mean it's impossible - but it will involve a lot of work - probably IMO not worth it.

    W7 has support until 2020 so if you can get that to work - a far better idea.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

    Is Your PC Ready for Windows 7? This Tool Lets You Know | PCWorld

    There are similar for W10 -- but if it won't pass W7 tests then my advice is not even to THINK about installing W10.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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