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  1.    06 Feb 2017 #21
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    I downloaded dell's windows recovery image and used dell's usb tools to create a bootable ssd and their instruction says to boot from usb under UEFI and use troubleshooting --> restore from drive feature
    Again something all wrong with the statements in your first post........

    Dell puts the OEM Recovery Image on a partition within the SSD...
    So where you download the Recovery Image ??? Dell does not provide that as a service....

    And you used USB Tools to create Bootable SSD ???? How???

    Are you trying to boot SSD by selecting USB???

    Just a lot of confusion when reading topic, hard to pin point your issue as there are many, misdirecting responses and statements..

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    KYHI
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  2.    06 Feb 2017 #22
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    Let me clarify things. The screenshots in post #16 are from dell's provided windows recovery image iso file that I downloaded using my service tag. It suppose to recover windows installation image as it was shipped from Dell. Because this pc came only with 32gb ssd there wouldn't enough space to have a regular recovery partition like other Dell's pc have.

    This is dell's os recovery tool looks like.
    Click image for larger version. 

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    Process 1
    Here is what I get by using USB drive created by Dell's recovery tool from Dell's iso.
    I insert usb drive into pc and click F12 to get to menu and select my USB drive under UEFI portion of the menu and follow those instruction.
    Code:
    Using the USB Recovery Media to Install Microsoft Windows
    
    Installing Microsoft Windows 10
    1.       Connect the USB recovery media that you created to the Dell PC where you want to install Microsoft Windows 10.
    2.       Restart the PC and when the Dell logo appears, tap F12 key until you see ‘Preparing one time boot menu’ in the top-right corner of the screen.
    3.       On the boot menu, under UEFI boot, select your USB drive and press Enter.
    4.       Select the language and keyboard layout.
    5.       On the Choose an option screen, click Troubleshoot, and then click Recover from a drive.
    6.       Follow the on-screen instructions to finish installing Microsoft Windows. The installation process will take some time and your PC may restart several times.
    
    
    
    The process takes about 40 minutes to go throw, then pc reboots and I assume it tries to boot for the first time. This is where it hangs on the Dell's logo.


    Process 2

    Now, when I try to install windows 10 but using USB drive I created using MS USB creation tool, I get the same thing. It goes throw the normal installation process and still gets stuck on the Dell's logo.

    After either processes
    If I reboot and use either Dell's created USB or MS created USB and go into Troubleshooting and command line. I can use diskpart to see what partitions were created. This is what volumes look like.


    It seems that everything is there, but I still can't get to the 1st boot where I would setup windows 10

    I hope this make sense.

    Please help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyhi View Post
    Dell puts the OEM Recovery Image on a partition within the SSD...
    So where you download the Recovery Image ??? Dell does not provide that as a service....
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyhi View Post
    There is a BIG difference between INSTALL and BOOTING...

    You say both Win10 and Dell Recovery USB's are Bootable...
    And it also appears you are saying that you can INSTALL windows..

    So does one now have to assume that after installation - the OS is not bootable???
    Or does the OS bsod upon booting???

    You have the Dell Images - the Install*.swm files are the OS and the Boot.wim is actually the winRE.wim
    Those Images a designed to work with recovery media... But I also see you are missing certain files in that directory..

    Did your Dell come with Win8, 8.1 or 10 ??

    And what are the actual messages you are getting...
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  3.    06 Feb 2017 #23
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    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10

    Please post a pic of the files/folders on the Dell Recovery Drive

    Attachment 120162

    And a pic of the files in the \Sources Folder ( Note: UnHide Protected System Files via View Tab > Options)

    Attachment 120164
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  4.    06 Feb 2017 #24
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    In post #16 Dell pc, windows recovery image and restore issues, those are screenshots you requested. Top one is from "sources" folder and bottom one is the root folder of iso file. I just used 7zip to look inside.

    Still don't understand why Windows 10 iso on USB wouldn't install. Does it make any difference uefi-csm vs uefi?

    Here is another screenshot. May be it can help
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    Thank you very much for trying to help me.

    ps. I have been doing IT for the last 25 year and have never seen this kind of issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyhi View Post
    Please post a pic of the files/folders on the Dell Recovery Drive

    Attachment 120162

    And a pic of the files in the \Sources Folder ( Note: UnHide System Files via View Tab > Options)

    Attachment 120163
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  5.    06 Feb 2017 #25
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    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10

    Post a picture of the \sources folder...

    Not \Sources\OEM

    So far you are missing the OEM Image Files (Install.wim - Install*.swm - Boot.wim)

    Windows 10 Rebuilds itself from within the installed version > Which you do not have on that drive........

    Windows 10 Customizes itself with the OEM Customizations.ppkg stored in the \Recovery folder on drive C: > which you do not have on that drive......

    Basically from what I see so far - that Dell Media will do you no good.. Pretty Much Useless...

    Install your OLD drive (If still has OEM OS) go into control Panel > Recovery > Create a Recovery Drive...
    Install your NEW drive - boot from the recovery drive you just created - and Restore the OEM OS (deleting current partitions)

    Or download the windows 10 iso from MS or Techbench > Download Helper > https://www.heidoc.net/php/Windows%2...Downloader.exe
    when you go to install - delete every partition and allows windows to install to the unallocated space.... (it will create all the required partitions as needed)
    Last edited by Kyhi; 06 Feb 2017 at 20:36.
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  6.    06 Feb 2017 #26
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    Click image for larger version. 

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    Here is the screenshot of the sources folder.

    If I may ask. What you are saying if I have clean brand new drive I can't use USB created MS Windows 10 iso to install windows. Right? I think I have done it couple times before, I think.

    As for creating recovery drive within original ssd and use it as restoring source. Tried it and it din't work. Same outcome as 2 other processes explained above. May be because the new drive and old one are different in size. Also when I compare recovery drive created from old ssd to dell's windows recovery image they seem to be the same.

    Here is what else I tried. I installed back original ssd and use Dell's windows recovery image on USB and it did work and restored ssd to state when it was shipped from Dell. So I think Dell's windows recovery image works.

    This is what inside of ResetConfig.xml in Sources folder.
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
    <Reset>
    <Run Phase="BasicReset_BeforeImageApply">
    <Path>OEM\PrepareCustomizations.cmd</Path>
    <Duration>1</Duration>
    </Run>
    <Run Phase="BasicReset_AfterImageApply">
    <Path>OEM\ApplyCustomizations.cmd</Path>
    <Param></Param>
    <Duration>2</Duration>
    </Run>
    <Run Phase="FactoryReset_AfterDiskFormat">
    <Path>OEM\PrepareCustomizations.cmd</Path>
    <Duration>1</Duration>
    </Run>
    <Run Phase="FactoryReset_AfterImageApply">
    <Path>OEM\ApplyCustomizations.cmd</Path>
    <Param></Param>
    <Duration>2</Duration>
    </Run>


    <SystemDisk>
    <MinSize>12000</MinSize>
    <DiskpartScriptPath>ResetPartitions.txt</DiskpartScriptPath>
    <OSPartition>3</OSPartition>
    <RestoreFromIndex>1</RestoreFromIndex>
    <WindowsREPartition>4</WindowsREPartition>
    <WindowsREPath>Recovery\WindowsRE</WindowsREPath>
    <Compact>True</Compact>
    </SystemDisk>
    </Reset>



    This is ResetPartitions.txt I believe this what creates partitions
    rem == ResetPartitions.txt ==


    convert gpt


    rem == 1. System partition =========================
    create partition efi size=100
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter="S"




    rem == 2. Microsoft Reserved (MSR) partition =======
    create partition msr size=16




    rem == 3. Windows partition ========================
    rem == a. Create the Windows partition ==========
    create partition primary
    shrink minimum=450
    format quick fs=ntfs
    assign letter="W"




    rem == 4. Windows RE tools partition ===============
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows RE tools"
    assign letter="T"
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001


    list volume
    exit

    Inside ApplyCustomizations.CMD
    @echo off
    if not exist w:\recovery mkdir w:\recovery
    if not exist w:\recovery\OEM mkdir w:\recovery\OEM
    if not exist w:\windows\panther mkdir w:\windows\panther


    set mediapath=""
    if exist c:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="c:"
    if exist d:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="d:"
    if exist e:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="e:"
    if exist f:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="f:"
    if exist g:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="g:"
    if exist h:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="h:"
    if exist i:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="i:"
    if exist j:\sources\oem\unattend.xml set mediapath="j:"


    xcopy %mediapath%\sources\oem\* w:\recovery\OEM /cherkys
    xcopy %mediapath%\sources\oem\unattend.xml w:\windows\panther /cherkys
    start /wait reg.exe LOAD HKLM\temp w:\windows\system32\config\SOFTWARE
    regedit /s %mediapath%\sources\oem\oeminfo.reg
    start /wait reg.exe UNLOAD HKLM\temp


    attrib +h w:\recovery


    :FINISHED
    exit 0




    Quote Originally Posted by Kyhi View Post
    Post a picture of the \sources folder...
    Not \Sources\OEM
    So far you are missing the OEM Image Files (Install.wim - Install*.swm - Boot.wim)
    Windows 10 Rebuilds itself from within the installed version > Which you do not have on that drive........

    Windows 10 Customizes itself with the OEM Customizations.ppkg stored in the \Recovery folder on drive C: > which you do not have on that drive......
    Basically from what I see so far - that Dell Media will do you no good.. Pretty Much Useless...
    Install your OLD drive (If still has OEM OS) go into control Panel > Recovery > Create a Recovery Drive...
    Install your NEW drive - boot from the recovery drive you just created - and Restore the OEM OS
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  7.    06 Feb 2017 #27
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    Or download the windows 10 iso from MS or Techbench > Download Helper > https://www.heidoc.net/php/Windows%2...Downloader.exe
    when you go to install - delete every partition and allows windows to install to the unallocated space.... (it will create all the required partitions as needed)
    This is what I did in process 2. I downloaded MS USB creatition tool which downloaded Windows 10 iso from MS and burn it into USB. Am I missing something?
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  8.    06 Feb 2017 #28
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    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10

    Copy from the \Sources\OEM folder

    ResetPartitions.txt
    Install*.swm(s)
    Boot.wim

    To \Sources Folder ...................

    Edit ResetConfig.xml in \sources folder with Notepad

    from <MinSize>12000</MinSize>
    to <MinSize>30720</MinSize>

    And try that

    Although... The copying of the Images files may not be required...
    As everything listed is a shown - on recovery drive and cmd files...

    So maybe just needed to adjust the minsize
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  9.    06 Feb 2017 #29
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    Windows 10 pro
    Thread Starter

    Install*.swm(s) and Boot.wim files are already in Sources folder. Am I missing something?

    I will copy ResetPartitions.txt and will change ResetConfig.xml as you said.

    btw this is what I tried
    http://www.dell.com/support/Article/us/en/4/SLN300987/EN with no success.
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  10.    06 Feb 2017 #30
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    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10

    If that does not work - I have one more suggestion >
    edit resetconfig

    <Compact>True</Compact>
    to
    <Compact>False</Compact>

    As compact is mostly used on 32gb drives or smaller

    Now as it appears the resetconfig that is actually being used is the one in the OEM folder...
    Usually the OEM folder is not there and everything is just in the Sources folder...

    So Dell added the OEM Folder
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