Windows 10: UEFI laptop, booting from DVD or USB fails

  1.    12 Jan 2017 #1

    UEFI laptop, booting from DVD or USB fails


    Hi

    On this new laptop which appears to have UEFI and Legacy BIOS settings, setting UEFI settings to boot from DVD or USB first in order to run a bootable format disc to preformat before a clean install has thrown an error message that ..."boot from [xx device] failed." This was with the GParted.iso installed on disc or USB.

    I did not touch the Legacy BIOS boot order just the UEFI boot order as information given suggested that the UEFI takes precedence.

    In the end I formatted using the windows installation iso and format tool, booting from USB which worked. But this has meant that I get the windows recovery partitions that I was trying to avoid. Having got here, I think I will leave it like that as it probably makes sense and I suppose windows will probably run better with them? This has got rid of the additional HP partitions and crapware which is also what I was trying to achieve.

    Just wanting to know for future reference, if I do want to boot from DVD or USB on this laptop OTHER THAN with windows installation .iso, how would I do it?

    Thanks again in advance.
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  2.    12 Jan 2017 #2

    But this has meant that I get the windows recovery partitions that I was trying to avoid.
    Hi, assuming you mean the 450Mb Recovery partition, you should keep that. That is for- guess what- recovery. Without that you have no Advanced troubleshooting options or automatic recovery. It's small- so you gain nothing worthwhile by not having it.

    You could have removed all the additional stuff that came with your laptop without doing a clean install, and partition managers allow deleting the recovery partition.

    Does your DVD boot up successfully on a different PC? Is there some chance it was not burnt successfully?

    You may wish to check with your manufacturer about booting from a DVD. For example, on mine, I have to hit F7 to display the appropriate boot menu. Yes, F7. That was unexpected. And the option to select the DVD drive is described in a totally obscure way.

    (Laptop = Toshiba Tecra A11 if anyone's familiar with it)
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  3.    13 Jan 2017 #3

    Boot up into your bios select the key for loading defaults then press the key for save and exit. Once youve done that you just need to choose the boot option key then select the device you wish to install windows from.
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  4.    13 Jan 2017 #4

    Hi Thanks for your replies...

    Hi, assuming you mean the 450Mb Recovery partition, you should keep that. That is for- guess what- recovery. Without that you have no Advanced troubleshooting options or automatic recovery. It's small- so you gain nothing worthwhile by not having it.
    I know it is for the recovery partition but I have never used these when they were manufacturer partitions because I found it usually more productive to just do a clean install when it became necessary. I was also hoping to install windows 10 pro from my current laptop (upgrade from win7 pro retail) so a clean install was required. I know have information that I am able to move that retail licence to the new laptop. See here:Moving Win10 (upgrade Win7 Full Retail Licence) to another PC.

    I agree that it is probably getting to the point with how Win 10 is deployed and integrates recovery options that it is e probably best to keep these so that windows works the way it expects to when things go wrong.

    You could have removed all the additional stuff that came with your laptop without doing a clean install, and partition managers allow deleting the recovery partition.
    Thanks. I agree that HP are not bad when it comes to bloatware; there was only their superfluous help assistant tools all of which can be done elsewhere. But needing to install pro made the reinstall necessary anyway.

    Does your DVD boot up successfully on a different PC? Is there some chance it was not burnt successfully?
    Maybe I screwed up the creation of that iso

    The USB booted perfectly well when it contained the windows iso install file, not when it contained Gparted iso file.

    I didn't test out the DVD with the Windows iso install file.

    You may wish to check with your manufacturer about booting from a DVD. For example, on mine, I have to hit F7 to display the appropriate boot menu. Yes, F7. That was unexpected. And the option to select the DVD drive is described in a totally obscure way.
    I had entered UEFI/BIOS (whatever it is called now) and changed boot order on the UEFI list - the Legacy BIOS boot order being subservient to the UEFI (if enabled) where both are present, according tot he information there. On my new machine HP 250 G4 F10 is the way to boot into the firmware menus.

    (Laptop = Toshiba Tecra A11 if anyone's familiar with it)
    See above.....
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  5.    13 Jan 2017 #5

    Just to be clear, the manufacturer's recovery partition (several Gb) is totally different to the 450-500Mb Recovery partition created as part of a Win 10 install and they have totally different functions. For a PC delivered with Win 10 installed, you may find both present.
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  6.    13 Jan 2017 #6

    dalchina said: View Post
    Just to be clear, the manufacturer's recovery partition (several Gb) is totally different to the 450-500Mb Recovery partition created as part of a Win 10 install and they have totally different functions. For a PC delivered with Win 10 installed, you may find both present.
    Thanks Dalchina, Yes I understand the difference. I have got rid of the manufacturers (HP) recovery partition and am happy to leave the Windows partition given the way windows 10 is now working.
    Last edited by kevvyb; 13 Jan 2017 at 16:22. Reason: correction
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  7.    14 Jan 2017 #7

    Booting on HP UEFI machines


    This was probably some issue with the setting with the UEFI. From my reading there are lots of people who seem to be running into all sorts of problems until they work out how it works.

    HP PCs - Secure Boot (Windows 8) | HP(R) Customer Support
    "HP computers that come with Windows 8 installed have Secure Boot enabled by default. Having Secure Boot enabled prevents legacy boot devices from starting your computer, including bootable CDs and DVDs."

    I think the issue above may have been the problem or part of it....? I did not test this out though by disabling secure boot with the bootable media I was using then.

    I am led to believe that the way and iso is burned has some effect on what settings the resultant media will boot from given that I found the application called Rufus, which seems to offer options to match the boot environment (leaving secure boot enabled).

    Presumably before, for most people it was simple, it was always MBR.

    Am I likely to be right?

    Rufus offers:
    1. MBR partition Scheme for BIOS or UEFI
    2. MBR partiton scheme for UEFI
    3. GPT partition scheme for UEFI


    Having just burned the iso again to USB using the 3rd option, the laptop has booted from it this time.
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  8.    14 Jan 2017 #8

    Hi, see:
    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...a.html#option2

    which describes how to succeed with Rufus.

    I believe you are correct about secure boot.
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