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  1.    02 Jun 2015 #1
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 9
    win 7

    Windows 10 will not upgrade (partition issue)


    So instead of sleeping started digging into upgrading to windows 10.
    Dug through forums but could not find any active threads.

    Long story short.

    1 Windows update did not want to run
    2 Ran stc/scanow-fixed the one issue there. (Pulled out much hair in that process.)
    3 Ran the update and it said "We couldn't update the system reserved partition" So did some digging and found that it needed 20+gigs.
    4 I boot off of my C drive (SSD) and was not going to dump that much onto my SSD. Ya oldy gamer.
    5 Partitioned off 40 gigs off my backup HDD

    Just please do not tell me I have to partition off my SSD, or will pull out what little hair I have left.

    Computer specs
    Win 7 Pro
    250 gig samsung ssd
    500 gig HDD
    I5 4670


    Thanks in advance.
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  2.    02 Jun 2015 #2
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
    Posts : 3,143
    Windows 10 Pro

    System partition has to be a certain size, not System Reserved. System Reserved is usally around 350-400MB.
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  3.    02 Jun 2015 #3
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Quote Originally Posted by fliphusker View Post
    So instead of sleeping started digging into upgrading to windows 10.
    Dug through forums but could not find any active threads.

    Long story short.

    1 Windows update did not want to run
    2 Ran stc/scanow-fixed the one issue there. (Pulled out much hair in that process.)
    3 Ran the update and it said "We couldn't update the system reserved partition" So did some digging and found that it needed 20+gigs.
    4 I boot off of my C drive (SSD) and was not going to dump that much onto my SSD. Ya oldy gamer.
    5 Partitioned off 40 gigs off my backup HDD

    Just please do not tell me I have to partition off my SSD, or will pull out what little hair I have left.

    Computer specs
    Win 7 Pro
    250 gig samsung ssd
    500 gig HDD
    I5 4670


    Thanks in advance.
    Please post a screen shot of Disk Mgmnt
    See: Disk Management - How to Post a Screenshot of - Windows 10 Forums

    What else is on the SSD? Win7, Win8? Data?

    Your easiest path is probably a clean install using the 10.0.074 ISO from the Insider download page.
    See: Windows 10 - Clean Install - Windows 10 Forums

    Windows does all of the heavy lifting - all you need is an empty drive. Install Win10 to that and the partitioning schema is as Windows needs it.

    If you cannot do a Clean install, other options are available, but members need more information about your setup.
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  4.    02 Jun 2015 #4
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 9
    win 7
    Thread Starter

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    Not sure why there is 2, apologize for my nubness.
    I run Win 7 from the 250 GB SSD and a few games, most programs are on my HDD. Last time I tried to boot from my HDD, my drivers were pretty whacked, and would probably be a huge process, maybe, to get them in shape. Little concerned to do it. Honestly I am wanting to check out win 10, not sure if I want to replace yet. I would not mind doing a wipe on my SSD, even though I do not like writing so extensive on it.
    So really I am not overly worried about anything on my SSD, as it can be reinstalled. Just nervous about the windows part is all.

    Thanks in advance
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  5.    02 Jun 2015 #5
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Thanks,
    Please update the Systems Specs in your forum profile with complete information- that saves the 20 questions game about your box

    • In the System Manufacturer/Model Number field, manually type Desktop or Laptop adding it to the information already in the field. The specific model number is important - there are often many models of a given series.
      For example, my machine is a HP Pavilion dv6, but there are tens of the dv6 series, so dv6-6c10us is the specific model.

    • Specify Custom Build as the manufacturer if it is not an OEM machine.

    The easiest way to do this is to use the information from a PUBLISHED Speccy report.
    See: Speccy - Publish Snapshot of your System Specs

    Post the link to the report that Speccy gives you and also open the Speccy link.
    Then click here to view your System Specs on this forum.

    When you have both windows open, put them side-by-side and simply copy the information, field by field, from the Speccy report to your System Specs.

    To see what information other members provide in their System Specs, click on My System Specs in the lower left of any post by any member.

    Thanks

    re: the Thread issue

    Why is the 100 MB partition on Disk 1 named Data - what's on there? Shouldn't be anything other than boot data.

    What I think you need to do is straighten out the System Reserved reference - this is a common error when members add additional drives and reinstall.

    Create a System repair disc or find your Windows 7 install DVD - you might need one of them.

    If you don't have either DO NOT continue with the next steps - STOP HERE

    Launch an elevated Command prompt (Right click, Run as Admin...)
    enter the following commands: (*** are comments, not part of the command set)

    Diskpart
    lis vol
    *** identify the volume labeled System Reserved (might be vol 1-but be certain)
    sel vol number
    inactive
    exit

    That prevents the volume from being used as the bootstrap.
    See if your system boots - it might not and that's where you'll need the System Reapir disc or Installation DVD

    if It does boot, then there are more few steps.
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  6.    02 Jun 2015 #6
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 9
    win 7
    Thread Starter

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    Rebooting will edit, LOL, if I can come back. :P

    No issues on reboot.
    I was expecting it to be gone.
    Tried again. Says it is inactive
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    Last edited by fliphusker; 02 Jun 2015 at 15:50.
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  7.    03 Jun 2015 #7
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
    Posts : 3,143
    Windows 10 Pro

    I don't think 100MB is large enough for your system reserved partition. It should be at least 300MB from what I remember.
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  8.    03 Jun 2015 #8
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 9
    win 7
    Thread Starter

    On Windows 7, the size is 100 MB whereas on Windows 8, it is 350 MB.
    Waiting for Slartybart or another to come along and hlp me finish this.
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  9.    03 Jun 2015 #9
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Quote Originally Posted by fliphusker View Post
    On Windows 7, the size is 100 MB whereas on Windows 8, it is 350 MB.
    Waiting for Slartybart or another to come along and hlep me finish this.
    Phew, glad to see you made it back
    Yeah, there's an article about the System reserve size, I'll post it later if I can find it again. 350 MB is geared more to UEFI than BIOS - and there are some additional consideration (250 MB if this, 350 MB if that, < 500 MB if these conditions.......)

    I'm running with a 100 MB System Reserve, so that isn't a concern right now. Give me a bit more time to refocus on this issue and read your Speccy.

    Bill
    .
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  10.    03 Jun 2015 #10
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    The System Reserved partition is fine at 100 MB,
    a combined System Reserved with Windows RE should be a minimum of 300 MB (per Technet)

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    If you want to just try the Win10 install again - that might be the most expedient. If you want the machine to be 'technically correct' then go through the process below.

    Rather than ask you to go through a bunch of disk schema gyrations (shrink, resize, create extended.create logical, move Windows....), I'll agree with Mystere and suggest that you 'grow' the System Reserve part (labeled Data on Disk 1) to 450 MB.

    Keep in mind throughout this exercise that everything is MEGABYTES - I screw that up sometimes - too conditioned I guess.

    This takes a bit of work, but it's not difficult. Read through this and ask any questions, once you boot to PW, you'll be incommunicado (unless you have another means to get to the forum which would be great!)

    Download Minitool Partition Wizard and put it in on a bootable disc or USB flash drive.

    Scroll down, 2nd from the bottom is Partition Wizard Bootable CD Free Edition
    Click on the blue download button.
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    This page details putting the ISO to disc or USB drive:

    This page describes the resize / mover operations you will perform:

    The first thing you have to do is shrink C: - shrink it by 350 MB (your system reserve is already 100 MB, so when you're finished it will be 450 MB)
    Selet C:
    then select move/resize .. the fields are self explanatory - all you have to do is the math (current size - 350 MB)
    set 0 MB after the drive to move it. The graphical interface gives you visual confirmation - you should see 350 MB of free space to the left of C:

    PW takes a bit of getting used to operationally. First you tell it what you want to do, then you have to confirm the operation by pressing Apply.
    Once you're sure you have it right, hit the Apply
    There are two places you can confirm / apply (one is on the left operation pane OR there's also a main button up top)

    Half way there....all you have to do now is extend System Reserve (labeled Data)
    Select Data
    select the move/resize operation
    use the slider to consume all of the free space (the 350 you made available in the previous operation)
    Once you're sure you have it right, hit the Apply

    The partiton should now be 450 MB

    Might as well change the labels to avoid any confusion in the future.

    Change the volume label System Reserve on Disk 0 to HDD reserve (or anything that makes sense to you)
    Change the volume label Data on Disk 1 to System Reserve

    Restart your machine and see if Win10 installs.

    Thanks
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