Windows 10: Upgrade vs Clean Install

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  1. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       26 May 2015 #11

    Ztruker said: View Post
    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.

    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.

    Comments?
    This is a very good suggestion. There are some members who are upgrading a Win7 or Win8.1 box, the results are mixed.

    Now that the content for Win10 has been set, MS will focus on the other issues (GUIs, installs, updates, etc).

    I think it's a worthwhile exercise for anyone willing to set up a Win7 or Win8.1 test bed and go through the process of upgrading that base to Win10. I'm not one of the willing however - too many other tracks, too few test beds.

    The Slow ring release controls when the ISO is made available. Sometimes, the Fast ring has a higher release and the 'current' ISO never goes up. This happened with 10.061 & 10.074, there never was a 10.061 ISO. As we get closer to Current Branch release, expect things to start moving even faster. I think the most stable-to-date release ISO will be available. If they offer a link to the ESD, that would be ok for techies.

    I had a matrix on the upgrade options, most include an ISO and Windows Update. I can't locate the reference for citation.

    Bottom line - it is a very good idea to test all aspects of a release before it goes public.
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  2.    27 May 2015 #12

    I went from Windows 7 to 10074 to 10122. Would have preferred to just do the one upgrade but had no choice. The insider page will only upgrade you to build 10074. I did have some weird things happen. I switched from a local account to a live ID. One or two reboots latter I got a guid not supported or something message and couldn't log in. Rebooted and it was then fine? Then when I did boot up tiles were blank with no graphics in them. Start menu wouldn't open. It was all I could do just to shut down and reboot. On the next reboot all seemed fine? Was able to log in and the tiles had their graphics. One issue I'm having is when a UAC prompt comes up, its minimized or behind the current open window. If I mouse to its icon on the task bar and pull up the thumbnail, it shows on screen. But as soon as I move the cursor off to go click yes, it disappears again. Clicking the thumbnail does nothing, it will not stay on screen. The only way out is to click the red X on the thumbnail to close it. Then turn UAC off so I can do what I was trying to do originally. I had the same UAC issue on my laptop after going from 8.1 to 10074 to 10122. Doesn't happen all the time though. If you don't change focus and click yes right away its probably OK. Let it minimize and your stuck.
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  3. Posts : 5,012
    Windows 10 Pro X64 15063.138
    Thread Starter
       27 May 2015 #13

    I think for the next build I'll restorte to 8.1 then do the upgrade and see how that works. Only adds about 30 minutes to the process.
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  4.    27 May 2015 #14

    Eventually the Insider page should offer up a newer build. Will it ever catch up to what's offered up by Windows update though? It's a bit of a pain to upgrade and then have to do it all over again just to get the current build. Ow, well, it is what it is I guess.
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  5.    27 May 2015 #15

    Ztruker said: View Post
    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.

    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.
    Mystere said: View Post
    So, the point is, you can't judge the upgrade process from a previous build of Windows 10. You can only judge it from a correctly functioning Windows 8.x or 7.
    I think I agree with both of you.

    Many of us would have installed an early build of 10 Preview and therefore for reasons mentioned would have clean installed it by now to fix a problem, assuming it wasn't a clean install in the first place (or dual boot, or run in a VM). So Insiders will generally be running something that has had at least one clean install at some point by now.

    So I think that the upgrade paths from 7 and 8 won't have been tested much by Insiders, but as stated that is what the majority of Joe Public will be doing when Windows 10 is released.
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  6.    27 May 2015 #16

    I'm probably 50/50 as far as upgrade versus clean install goes. Early on I did upgrades, had issues, then clean installed to avoid said issues. In most cases it worked. After that I did clean installs when possible. Just recently though I did upgrades from Windows 8.1 and 7. I'll likely do upgrades when the RTM arrives to see how it actually works. I like to be able to say "I did it", instead of "I've read that" After that it will be clean installs on my PC's. I have MSDN, so getting install media will not be an issue.
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  7.    27 May 2015 #17

    Since I have no problem with reinstalling and redownloading all my programs, I simply cleaned up my HDD, threw in another partition, and installed Windows fresh on that.
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  8.    28 May 2015 #18

    I always try update and if it doesn't work out right, I install anew. Like Alpha said success was 50/50.
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  9. Posts : 14,404
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       28 May 2015 #19

    Ztruker said: View Post
    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.
    Within these forum "walls" there are two types of members . . . those who help others and those who come for help. I'm not even going to guess the percentage of each.

    Then you have those who are Insiders. You have three sectors there; Upgrade over Windows (whichever version), dual boot (first install will have to be clean) and those with virtual machines (first install will have to be clean). OK, now you have to set them into sub groups: Always upgrade over the older Build and Always clean install.

    Another thing that has to be taken into consideration is that by being an Insider, you have given Microsoft full "vision" into your installation of Windows 10 Build xx. This is so they can tell exactly what's happening with each installation. Also, when you give feedback, by choosing one of the "defaults", Microsoft collects logs. Before you ask, I don't have a source; I've just picked this information up through reading here and there from Microsoft to ZDNet, etc.

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.
    Before we sell Microsoft short in the data collection department, we must take the above into consideration. I hate to say it, and it's not pointed at you, Rich, but, "This ain't Microsoft's first Rodeo." They're aware of what's going on with our Windows 10 test computers, be they an upgrade, dual boot, virtual machine, etc.

    And, from what I've typed above, it's no wonder that some folks tell us, "Be afraid, be very afraid!" With this said, I don't believe Microsoft is into collecting our data for evil purposes, but when it comes down to it, major corporations have been hacked and Microsoft isn't immune . . . although they're a lot more immune than your average large corporation, even Target! Obviously.
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  10. Posts : 14,404
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       28 May 2015 #20

    Question: If we're supposed to only do updates, why is it that Microsoft has provided ISOs to us on a number of occasions? And when they don't provide them, we're usually given an explanation as to why not.
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