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  1. Kari's Avatar
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    alphanumeric said:
    I'm not wrong though, if you actually took the time to read the post you originally relied too. You obviously didn't read it. I was referring to build 1511 being activated with a product key and then build 1607 switching that too a digital entitlement. You then proceeded to tell me that every activation of Windows 10 gets a digital entitlement, which is not true. You talk about me, shoes on the other foot right now. I eaten my words plenty of times when I've been in error.
    Please let's try to calm down, I ask you to think this: Why do you think you got digital license? Are you really sure it has nothing to do with the fact that your 1511 license, based on your product, was stored on MS activation servers, and therefore you did not have to enter the key when upgrading?

    You are absolutely sure that is not a possible scenario?


    NavyLCDR said:
    So I guess you are also calling him a liar because of this:
    You are starting to be really good in this! Kudos :)

    I can understand you are upset because I don't buy the fact that although MS denies it, saying free upgrade is over, you want to call your test and name a thread with upper case letter as "Definitive answer". It might continue a year, it might be over tomorrow, but as long as MS does not comment, we really do not know.

    I will try to remember that you do not tolerate any critics, maybe that could restore our formal but good relations.

    OK, then: W, in which post and who have I called liar? This is the post I originally replied, nothing about 1511:

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  2. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #112

    alphanumeric said:
    Which part? I posted that link earlier, I suspect, but can't prove, that its been updated somewhat?
    Yes, read my edit to that post. It's clear, at least to me, that they changed it in Version 1607. And you just proved it by re-installing version 1511. Clearly some (not all) version 1511 digital entitlements are handled differently than version 1607 digital licenses.
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  3. Kari's Avatar
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       #113

    @NavyLCDR, I appreciate you trying to help me to see better. However, the font is not yet big enough, I am still not seeing anything about 1511:

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    I couldn't even dream that someone regularly posting about Insider stuff was still using 1511. I assumed that he was in an older 14XXX Insider build.

    Please could you make the font somewhat bigger, I will give it another go trying to find 1511 in that post.

    Thanks for your help!
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  4. Brink's Avatar
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       #114

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    Let's keep this discussion friendly shall we.

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  5. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #115

    You can't prove what was true or not true in a version prior to 1607 by experimenting with version 1607. That would be like trying to prove that a Model T would get 40+ miles to the gallon by driving a Prius.
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  6. Kari's Avatar
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       #116

    NavyLCDR said:
    OK.... guys - wait a minute, I think I discovered the answer. Look at this website and read it carefully:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-10-activation

    This webpage was clearly edited by Microsoft to apply to the Anniversary edition.
    How come you geeks cannot understand that page? Yes, of course you need a product key to activate some types of Windows installations, like the MSDN retail one in my video, or if you just buy a retail Windows 10 from store. That is of course natural, logical and understandable.

    But when Windows 10 then is activated, that key is no longer needed. Never again. The license is digital when Windows has been activated and you can install the same edition on same machine as many times and as often as you'd like to, never entering the key.

    This shouldn't be too difficult to understand!
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  7. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #117

    Kari said:
    Please let's try to calm down, I ask you to think this: Why do you think you got digital license? Are you really sure it has nothing to do with the fact that your 1511 license, based on your product, was stored on MS activation servers, and therefore you did not have to enter the key when upgrading?

    You are absolutely sure that is not a possible scenario?




    You are starting to be really good in this! Kudos :)

    I can understand you are upset because I don't buy the fact that although MS denies it, saying free upgrade is over, you want to call your test and name a thread with upper case letter as "Definitive answer". It might continue a year, it might be over tomorrow, but as long as MS does not comment, we really do not know.

    I will try to remember that you do not tolerate any critics, maybe that could restore our formal but good relations.

    OK, then: W, in which post and who have I called liar? This is the post I originally replied, nothing about 1511:

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    I'll run through this one more time.
    I installed Windows 10 Education 1511, activated with a product code.
    Settings > activation & security > activation showed activated with a product key. As per the screen shot I posted. That says to me that it does not have a digital entitlement?
    Upgraded to the anniversary edition and the it said "activated with a digital License" so now its switched to a DE.
    Reinstalled Education 1511 on that same PC, without entering a product code and it said not activated, as per the screen shot I posted. So obviously no DE for 1511.
    Which was the whole point of my original post, the upgrade from 1511 to 1607 switched activation from product code to DE.

    EDIT: A new DE was issued to that PC after the 29th.
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  8. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #118

    Kari said:
    But when Windows 10 then is activated, that key is no longer needed. Never again. The license is digital when Windows has been activated and you can install the same edition on same machine as many times and as often as you'd like to, never entering the key.

    This shouldn't be too difficult to understand!
    And that simply was not true with all editions of version 1511 of Windows 10. That isn't too difficult for anyone to understand.
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  9. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #119

    Kari said:
    How come you geeks cannot understand that page? Yes, of course you need a product key to activate some types of Windows installations, like the MSDN retail one in my video, or if you just buy a retail Windows 10 from store. That is of course natural, logical and understandable.

    But when Windows 10 then is activated, that key is no longer needed. Never again. The license is digital when Windows has been activated and you can install the same edition on same machine as many times and as often as you'd like to, never entering the key.

    This shouldn't be too difficult to understand!
    If this is true why didn't my 1511 activate with a digital entitlement the second time around?
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  10. Kari's Avatar
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       #120

    NavyLCDR said:
    You can't prove what was true or not true in a version prior to 1607 by experimenting with version 1607. That would be like trying to prove that a Model T would get 40+ miles to the gallon by driving a Prius.
    I do not do legacy versions. I have tried to get you guys to understand how it works in current, stable official release of Windows 10.

    But: even if we talked about 1511, it too has the license (even the product key one) stored digitally on MS activation servers and does not need a product key when upgraded because of that digital signature of the hardware.
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