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  1. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #91

    Kari said:
    Oh s**t! You guys don't give up. That was a clean install on a brand new virtual machine. You can see this at 1:41:
    Machine clearly has no digital license, nor product key given. No activation at all, first ever Windows 10 installation on that machine.

    And this is result when that machine is activated first time ever, with a retail Windows 10 valid and origanl key:
    Of course I used version 1607, that is now the official current release. What had the point

    been if I had used outdated Windows version?
    Read my original post, the one you went at great lengths to enlighten me about digital entitlement. I clearly stated that before upgrading to the anniversary edition I didn't have a digital entitlement, but after I did. Duh?
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  2. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #92

    alphanumeric said:
    I think its changed since the release of the anniversary edition. More of a glitch IMHO. I didn't get the digital entitlement for my education install until I did the upgrade to the anniversary edition.
    I understand what Kari is saying. It was impossible for your version 1511 of Windows 10 Education to not get a digital license from a retail product key and stay on product key activation because he just now showed you that a version 1607 Windows 10 Home version does get a digital license from a retail product key. I mean come on - why can't you just admit, alphanumeric, that what happens with an Apple must absolutely apply to Oranges as well?

    Two different major builds of Windows 10, two different versions of Windows 10. And who knows what changes to Microsoft activation servers between 6/18 and 8/5.
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  3. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #93

    NavyLCDR said:
    I understand what Kari is saying. It was impossible for your version 1511 of Windows 10 Education to not get a digital license from a retail product key and stay on product key activation because he just now showed you that a version 1607 Windows 10 Home version does get a digital license from a retail product key. I mean come on - why can't you just admit, alphanumeric, that what happens with an Apple must absolutely apply to Oranges as well?
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  4. Kari's Avatar
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       #94

    alphanumeric said:
    I think its changed since the release of the anniversary edition. More of a glitch IMHO. I didn't get the digital entitlement for my education install until I did the upgrade to the anniversary edition.
    I am almost crying here for desperation, for not being able to put this simple enough: It's irrelevant how and with what method or type of key the machine is activated first time. A digital license means that after that initial activation you will never again need a product key or do anything in order to activate the same edition on same machine. License is based on machine hardware, a digital license which allows you to reinstall as often as you want to without a key or another activation method.
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  5. Kari's Avatar
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       #95

    NavyLCDR said:
    I understand what Kari is saying. It was impossible for your version 1511 of Windows 10 Education to not get a digital license from a retail product key and stay on product key activation because he just now showed you that a version 1607 Windows 10 Home version does get a digital license from a retail product key. I mean come on - why can't you just admit, alphanumeric, that what happens with an Apple must absolutely apply to Oranges as well?

    Two different major builds of Windows 10, two different versions of Windows 10. And who knows what changes to Microsoft activation servers between 6/18 and 8/5.
    I would have expected you at least admit that when we are talking about Windows activation today, it should be about last stable, current release. That is 1607.

    Honestly, it seems more important in this whole conversation to prove that I am wrong than to spread correct information.

    I provided video proof that a retail key when used on a new machine and new installation gets a digital license. Maybe you could provide proof that it does not happen?
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  6. Posts : 1,557
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       #96

    Kari does that mean I could activate windows 10 pro on my system using the anniversary update? There was a fluke, when I tried the first insider build & it upgrade my system from a home to a windows 10 pro and activated without issue. However, I went back to using windows 10 home insider because technically I wasn't entitled to using the pro version.
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  7. Kari's Avatar
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       #97

    groze said:
    Kari does that mean I could activate windows 10 pro on my system using the anniversary update? There was a fluke, when I tried the first insider build & it upgrade my system from a home to a windows 10 pro and activated without issue. However, I went back to using windows 10 home insider because technically I wasn't entitled to using the pro version.
    If you have had an activated Windows 10 Pro edition build 10586 or later on that machine after November update was released (version 1511, I believe it was the build 10586 which brought us digital entitlement), you can clean install Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Update version 1607 and it will be digitally activated.

    If Pro has not been activated on that machines since launch of digital entitlement, you need to buy / use a product key.
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  8. alphanumeric's Avatar
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       #98

    Kari said:
    I would have expected you at least admit that when we are talking about Windows activation today, it should be about last stable, current release. That is 1607.

    Honestly, it seems more important in this whole conversation to prove that I am wrong than to spread correct information.
    Again you twist things around. My original post was stating that in 1511, I did not have a digital entitlement, period. I'm not debating what a digital entitlement is, I already know that without you trying to impress use with your uber knowledge. My screen shots show that in 1511, when installed with a product key, it does not get a digital entitlement. It is not automatic. That PC did not have a digital entitlement before July 29th. When I upgraded after that date to the Anniversary edition activation switched to a digital entitlement.
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  9. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #99

    Kari said:
    I would have expected you at least admit that when we are talking about Windows activation today, it should be about last stable, current release. That is 1607.

    Honestly, it seems more important in this whole conversation to prove that I am wrong than to spread correct information.

    I provided video proof that a retail key when used on a new machine and new installation gets a digital license. Maybe you could provide proof that it does not happen?
    What you are trying to do is prove that alphanumeric was wrong about what happened with his version 1511 Windows 10 Education version - that it did not receive a digital license when he activated it the first time with a retail product key. And, frankly, you have provided nothing at all even close to being relevant to that past activation. Alphanumeric simply posted, "Hey, look at that! My version 1511 Windows 10 Education version which previously had a product key activation got changed to a digital license with version 1607...." Then you come along and attempt to tell us it was impossible for his Windows 10 Education version 1511 to have a product key activation in the past.

    You have posted absolutely nothing to refute his post #83.
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  10. Kari's Avatar
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       #100

    Could you guys explain to me where in this original post does Alphanumeric mention he is talking about version 1511:

    alphanumeric said:
    Digital Entitlements are still being handed out. I upgraded my 10 Education install to the Anniversary update. It was originally activated with a Retail Product code (MSDN). After the upgrade it showed Activated with a Digital License linked to your Microsoft ID. I just did a clean install with a skip key and it activated with that Digital License.
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