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  1.    05 Jul 2016 #1
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Central West NSW Australia
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    7 and 10 on various machines

    Installing 10 later


    I have a small but reasonably beasty Asus laptop (P2520LA) I keep for travel and when at work. At present it is installed with 7 Pro and I have half a mind (I know what someone will say LOL) to clean install 10 to it and get the free offer of 10 Pro. But I am about to take a trip to the UK and take the machine with me and I don't want to get there and it drop it's bundle and leave me with no resources and/or a lot of mucking around on holiday trying to get it fixed. My partner certainly would not be impressed.

    So I think I shall wait until I get back and just buy a copy of 10 Pro and install it from an official DVD and as I can get the copy for around $200 it will save any stress as the copy of 10 I have on this machine (the free ISO) has been a real battle to get right anyway.

    What I want to know is if I do that and keep the drive with 7 Pro on it and use a new SSD for the 10 will it be possible to swap out the drives to use the two different systems?? What I would like is to keep it in 7 for a while longer but eventually load the 10 and fix up my gear on it.
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  2.    05 Jul 2016 #2
    Join Date : Apr 2015
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    W10Prox64

    Quote Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
    I have a small but reasonably beasty Asus laptop (P2520LA) I keep for travel and when at work. At present it is installed with 7 Pro and I have half a mind (I know what someone will say LOL) to clean install 10 to it and get the free offer of 10 Pro. But I am about to take a trip to the UK and take the machine with me and I don't want to get there and it drop it's bundle and leave me with no resources and/or a lot of mucking around on holiday trying to get it fixed. My partner certainly would not be impressed.

    So I think I shall wait until I get back and just buy a copy of 10 Pro and install it from an official DVD and as I can get the copy for around $200 it will save any stress as the copy of 10 I have on this machine (the free ISO) has been a real battle to get right anyway.

    What I want to know is if I do that and keep the drive with 7 Pro on it and use a new SSD for the 10 will it be possible to swap out the drives to use the two different systems?? What I would like is to keep it in 7 for a while longer but eventually load the 10 and fix up my gear on it.
    Should be fine. I don't see any problem with this. I have done it myself.
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  3.    05 Jul 2016 #3
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Central West NSW Australia
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    7 and 10 on various machines
    Thread Starter

    Thanks simrick in the meantime I have been looking round at prices for this product and EBay have some offers from around $110 some with an optional DVD or stick but they don't say a genuine DVD and the stick as we know can be made up from anywhere as I have the official ISO here now.

    Now I can get the DVD from my regular supplier for $209 + $15 postage which is a saving over Microsoft store out here for around $75 so I am just wondering how those other folks can do the copy for the price they quote??
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  4.    05 Jul 2016 #4
    Join Date : Apr 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
    Thanks simrick in the meantime I have been looking round at prices for this product and EBay have some offers from around $110 some with an optional DVD or stick but they don't say a genuine DVD and the stick as we know can be made up from anywhere as I have the official ISO here now.

    Now I can get the DVD from my regular supplier for $209 + $15 postage which is a saving over Microsoft store out here for around $75 so I am just wondering how those other folks can do the copy for the price they quote??
    Can't say. I would be leery buying from sites like that - you never know if someone got hold of a leaked key, which will eventually be blacklisted by MS in the future some time.

    You could just go ahead and update, after making a Macrium image of your W7; or, just install the new SSD, clean install W10 and use the W7 key to activate. You have 30 days to revert. Personally, I'd take the free upgrade now, rather than spending $200.

    I just upgraded a W7Pro x64 system this evening. Took all of 1 hour and 15 minutes (after prep), and it's fine. I downloaded the ISO from TechBench, installed 7-zip, used it to extract the ISO to the desktop, ran setup.exe, and off it went. Couldn't be easier.
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  5.    05 Jul 2016 #5
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Central West NSW Australia
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    7 and 10 on various machines
    Thread Starter

    Ok mate I might just stick to my supplier as I don't get back until after the 3rd September and like I said I don't want the thing to go south while I am away.

    I don't mind spending the money and if I had thought this out a bit earlier I would have done what you have suggested but I really don't have the time to fit it all in as I have spare drives but that's my own fault plus I had a fair bit of a hassle with this machine's set up an I couldn't go through that again as it took nearly three days of reinstalling and contacting Microsoft support to get it right.

    But thanks again for your patience and time.
    John
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  6.    05 Jul 2016 #6
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 9,552
    Windows 10 Pro

    I know what I would do. Create a Windows to Go installation on an external USB hard drive and activate that with the Windows 7 product key (or genuineticket.xml file) and get the digital entitlement saved on Microsoft activation servers for that computer to use for a clean and permanent install later.
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  7.    05 Jul 2016 #7
    Join Date : Jun 2016
    Fairfield County Ohio
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    windows 10

    ASUS and SecureBoot warning.


    If you want to use W10 and W7 on the same computer; you need to do some research first. I say this because I did this and now have a perfectly good W7 SSD I can't boot to.
    First, look at your installed WIN Updates and see if you have KB3133977. There is an issue with this update and ASUS motherboards with UEFI BIOS running W7.
    Both MS and ASUS know about it. Go to ASUS and look it up. There is a work-around for MOST motherboards, but not all.
    If you have that update installed, try to uninstall it, (if it is uninstallable). It enables Secure Boot, and W7 can't use it. It will give a security error and W7 won't boot.
    If you CAN uninstall it or don't yet have it installed, turn off automatic updates so it CAN'T get in there on its own. You can always install updates as you see fit. Just never install that one.
    Secure Boot is for W8 and W10.
    If you have it installed and can't uninstall it; you need to be able to disable Secure Boot in the UEFI BIOS utility. Some motherboards, this is easy, some it can't be done. ASUS says it can not be disabled on my motherboard.
    As soon as you install W10, Secure Boot will be enabled. You need to find out if you can get to it and have the ability to enable/disable it BEFORE you install W10. Otherwise; you MIGHT have a situation like mine.
    ASUS says my only option is to reinstall W7 and go through all the updates and not install KB3133977.

    I really don't want to do that. I'd rather work on getting around their goof. But that's just me. I have other computers.

    Check these things out, and don't believe it when someone says "All you have to do is go into BIOS and turn it off".
    It may not be that simple.
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  8.    05 Jul 2016 #8
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
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    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
    .....
    What I want to know is if I do that and keep the drive with 7 Pro on it and use a new SSD for the 10 will it be possible to swap out the drives to use the two different systems?? What I would like is to keep it in 7 for a while longer but eventually load the 10 and fix up my gear on it.
    IF you clean install on the SSD, you lock in the Win10 upgrade

    It doesn't take long or babysitting.

    I've been told that if you have the most recent ISO, you can enter your previous version key
    Windows 10 - Clean Install - Windows 10 Forums

    I have not confirmed this, but I regard the member well

    I used to send people to this tutorial
    You need to generate a file on the Win7 install disk and save it to an external
    Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First - Windows 10 Forums

    remove the Win7 drive
    install the new SSD

    Install Win10

    Then put the Win7 drive back in for your trip.

    Bill
    .
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  9.    06 Jul 2016 #9
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Central West NSW Australia
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    7 and 10 on various machines
    Thread Starter

    Ok a few options that I can see. Now I could clean install the 10 on a spare drive and activate it with the generic code first and leave the 7 code until later when I get back. But I am concerned that I would lose the free 10 install because I didn't use the 7 code to activate at the time of doing that clean install - are Microsoft going to pull me up for not using the 7 code at the time?
    I suppose if they do block me from using the 7 key after the end of the month then I always have the option of buying the OEM and installing it from it. .
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  10.    06 Jul 2016 #10
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
    Ok a few options that I can see. Now I could clean install the 10 on a spare drive and activate it with the generic code first and leave the 7 code until later when I get back. But I am concerned that I would lose the free 10 install because I didn't use the 7 code to activate at the time of doing that clean install - are Microsoft going to pull me up for not using the 7 code at the time?
    I suppose if they do block me from using the 7 key after the end of the month then I always have the option of buying the OEM and installing it from it. .
    Microsoft themselves says on their website that they do not block the Windows 7 key after the end of the month. So, unless they are lying on their own website your Windows 7 product key remains valid. I know that mine have.

    In order to get the free entitlement to Windows 10 you do have to use a Windows 7/8/8.1 product key to activate Windows 10. If the first Windows 10 installed on that computer is done with only the generic Windows 10 product key, it won't activate at all.
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