1.    27 Apr 2016 #1
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 277
    windows 7

    Any way to STARTUP/boot Windows 10 with ONLY GENERIC drivers?


    many have run into Windows 10 "upgrades" that install bad device drivers that cause system to hang on reboot/boot.

    Is there a way, perhaps command line, to attempt to boot the system with 'basic drivers' only, in order to step around the IED..... ???
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  2.    27 Apr 2016 #2
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 277
    windows 7
    Thread Starter

    this is a crazy idea, but think of it: since windows 7 is on the hard drive, but set aside, is there a way to un-quarantine windows 7, quarantine Windows 10, nuke the MBR, build a new Windows 7 MBR, all from command line?
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  3.    27 Apr 2016 #3
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,868
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    It's the "basic drivers" that are the problem - even the WINPE for Windows 10 setup cannot cut it for some combinations of hardware, and fails at 23%, 32% or some other short figure. That is why the upgrade from 7 may work, but a subsequent clean install fails. If you compare Win10PE and Win8.1PE, the Win 10 uses a lot more resources, even though the full OSs Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 use a very similar amount.

    Heaven knows what you mean by quarantine and nuke the MBR!
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  4.    28 Apr 2016 #4
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 277
    windows 7
    Thread Starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Heaven knows what you mean by quarantine and nuke the MBR!
    understandably!
    in the case of an upgrade, in this case from a well-running windows 7 to a defective windows 10, the entire Windows directory is intact on the drive, just marked so it is not accessed. I had just been wondering if, via command line interface, one could reverse the relationship, but I can see all sorts of issues; where's the old registry? [there was a restore point, but you must have windows up and running to access the restore point], the UEFI drive arrangement would need to be nixed, windows 7 boot record restored, etc etc.

    clean install the only real answer
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  5.    28 Apr 2016 #5
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,868
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    After ab upgrade, apart from the basic Windows.old folder, there is a WindowsOld.Wim file in $WINDOWS>~BT\Sources

    It may be mounted as a virtual drive or unarchived with a program such as 7-zip File manager, and the registry hives will be in the usual place under the Windows folder structure.

    I'm pretty sure that when a volume is captured to a Wim image, old restore points are discarded.
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  6.    29 Apr 2016 #6
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 277
    windows 7
    Thread Starter

    appreciate the tip
    did some searching on that approach and as you would expect, not much, if any, success.
    clean install coming...

    since these things do not happen in a controlled corporate environment, MS likely does not track stats much on the cost of such snafus. in this case, an 'innocent' victim of MS relentless upgrade-push will end up shelling out about $400 in technician fees, and about 2 weeks of lost workstation productivity, all to try to rebuild what was a well-running Windows 7 system before "upgrade now".

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    After ab upgrade, apart from the basic Windows.old folder, there is a WindowsOld.Wim file in $WINDOWS>~BT\Sources

    It may be mounted as a virtual drive or unarchived with a program such as 7-zip File manager, and the registry hives will be in the usual place under the Windows folder structure.

    I'm pretty sure that when a volume is captured to a Wim image, old restore points are discarded.
      My ComputerSystem Spec

 


Similar Threads
Thread Forum
Installation & Upgrade Boot to Advanced Startup Options in Windows 10
Advanced startup enables you to perform these actions: Start recovery (aka: Windows RE or WinRE), troubleshooting, and diagnostic tools. Boot from a disk (ex: USB or DVD) or device (UEFI only) Access the PC's UEFI firmware Restore Windows from...
Tutorials
Solved Need to remove old windows 7 safe boot screen on startup
I have a old windows 7 safe mode boot screen that migrated over to windows 10. I works on windows 10 but I don't need it any more so I want to get rid of it. I just don't want to mess up in removing it... I'm using this tutorial... Can't get...
General Support
BSOD at startup ocassionally, possibly Nvidia drivers?
Howdy, Upgraded to windows 10 from 8.1 (computer came with windows 7 originally), and now I am having all sorts of issues with windows 10. One of them being frequent BSODs during startup. BlueScreenView is showing ntoskrnl.exe is the problem (but...
BSOD Crashes and Debugging
Does firmware drivers get completely replaced by OS drivers at boot?
To my knowledge, when an OS such as Windows 8.1 is booted, all firmware/bios drivers are replaced by more appropriate OS drivers in the boot drive during start up. I learnt this happens for the latest versions of Windows. Am I right? Do all bios...
Drivers and Hardware
Solved Disabling Fast Startup for next boot so I can boot from a DVD
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options\System Settings Unchecking the "Turn on Fast Startup" command in the above setting path does not do it. There is supposed to be a motherboard software for enabling a normal startup the next...
General Support
Our Sites
Site Links
About Us
Windows 10 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 10" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 23:53.
Find Us
Twitter Facebook Google+ Ten Forums iOS App Ten Forums Android App



Windows 10 Forums