Windows 10: Problem Installing Windows 10 on Laptop as 2nd OS

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  1.    05 Apr 2016 #11

    Kyhi's recovery tools

    Sorry, but I have a question or 2 regarding "Kyhi's recovery tools"

    It looks like this is only for Win 10 or Win 8.1. But it will have to run on Win Vista on the laptop for me to do the work needed.

    Also, if that is not a problem, what is the difference between "x86" and "x84" ? Maybe a brain cramp, but I'm not sure I know those desgnations.

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  2. Fafhrd's Avatar
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       05 Apr 2016 #12

    "Kyhi's recovery tools" are bootable cd/dvds based on the Windows Preinstallation Environment (WinPE) or their Recovery counterpart (WinRE) versions created from Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. They are downloaded as .iso files to be burnt to CD-R or DVD-R disks as bootable media.

    These standalone Windows disks do not run on or under Vista, but as ramdisks - virtual disk systems in memory, and have full access to the systems on hard drives, on the PC and contain a variety of recovery utilities, in a graphical Windows format similar to Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8x and Windows 10 desktops.

    WinPE is a cut down version of Windows used for Installation and Recovery of Windows, which is a very limited operating system, much augmented in the above recovery tools.

    "x86" refers to 32-bit Windows, and "x64" ("x84" is a typographical error) refers to 64-bit Windows versions
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  3.    06 Apr 2016 #13

    Some progress, I guess

    I got back to the task this afternoon.
    Download reports:
    • Tried to a "data" CD with Vista on the desktop. After a long time and a high %, I got "this file could not be downlaoded" and no reason.
    • Tried again with a fresh CD. Then, after the disk was formatted, I got a decent mesage (quickly) at least: telling me that it would need an additional 6MB. The CD was 700MB.
    • I then grabbed a DVD (4.7GB) and tried. After some minutes, I then got the old "virus - blocked" messaage.
    • Then, for the first time I used Win 10 on the desktop. (Note: I wanted to get it installed on both machines before I started working with Win 10).
    • I downloaded it, but Win 10 automatically sent it to a "downloads" folder that it must have created on the Win 10 drive. So, I tought, well, I'll just copy it to the DVD. Fine, it shows that WIN10586PESE-x86 is there on the DVD.
    • So I put the DVD in the laptop and automatically my Roxio Creater opens it. NG.
    • Now tryng to figure out what to open it with. It does not "self open" or run. Not sure what to do with an ISO file. Right clicking on the file name gives 2 possibly viable options: "open with" and "load into emulated drive". That sounds viable, but I've never seen (or certainly not used) that before and not knowing what it would do, I'm a little leery of selecting it. Any suggestions ?
    • Or should I try downloading it again directly to a DVD ? That is if I can figure out how to get Win 10 to write it where I want to. All I did was click on the WIN10586PESE on your site and of it went flying without giving me any choice as to where to put it.

    As always, many thanks for your patience with me and my problems. Every time I feel I'm close, something else happens to dampen my spirits. Roadblocks galore. Damn Dell, why did they ahve to set up this machine how they did !!

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  4.    06 Apr 2016 #14

    An ISO file is an image file. You burn a DVD/CD from the image that is within the iso file. What you did was just copy the ISO file itself to the DVD. In Windows 10 you right click on the ISO file and select "Burn disc image".
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  5. Fafhrd's Avatar
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       06 Apr 2016 #15

    We tend to forget how limited Vista was regarding what it would do natively with filetypes like .iso files - not a lot, I guess. Roxio creator I haven't used for years either.
    Here's a tutorial, I hope it is applicable for your version:

    Creator 2010 - Create and Burn a DVD from an ISO Image file

    or this

    Burn a disc image file
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  6.    07 Apr 2016 #16

    Progress !!

    Well, we are finally geting somewhere.
    I took your first instructions; namely, to "burn disk image" to a DVD from the download in Win 10 on the desktop.
    But, thanks for the info on Roxio - I'm saving that for future reference.

    The disk worked fine on the laptop and ...
    here we have attached a screenshot of the Mini Tool Partition Wizard" findings.

    I find it interesting that C shows as "primary" in Mini also (Acronis did that too; but Disk Managment did not).

    A few days ago when you first mentioned Mini Tool, I took a qucick look at it online - at the features of it. I saw a feature called "Align Partition". Not sure if this would be of use to us, but it looked like it may have possibilites.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Capture Mini Tool - Laptop HD.PNG  
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  7.    07 Apr 2016 #17

    Well, this is what I don't understand. You can only have 1 extended partition on a hard drive. That extended partition can only occupy a contiguous block of space on the hard drive, you can't have it split. All logical drives must be inside the extended partition. But what you have showing is a logical drive (D: Recovery), followed by a C: a primary partition, followed by a bunch of other logical drives. Somethin' just doesn't add up. In addition, Windows 10 Disk Management is showing C: as a logical drive inside the extended partition - just like we would expect it to be.

    See here:
    Primary Partition vs. Logical Drive: Advantages, Disadvantages, and Definition.

    So, I think the next step would be to move (not resize) the C: drive partition to the right so you end up with the unallocated 40 GB space in front of it instead of behind it.

    Move (not resize) the D: drive recovery partition to the right so you end up with all of the unallocated space at the front of the drive.

    Then, just to make sure you have space outside the extended partition, in the unallocated space at the front of the drive, I would create a temporary Primary NTFS partition in it. You don't have to assign it a drive letter. Follow that by deleting that same partition.

    Make sure to click the Apply button in MiniTool Partition wizard.

    Once all that is done, see if you can install Windows 10.
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  8.    08 Apr 2016 #18

    OOPs !!!

    We have a problem !!
    I took a new full backup before the Moni Tool.

    I then did all 4 recommeded actions in single Mini Tool session:
    • Moved C to the right of the 40GB unallocated
    • Moved D to the right of the 40GB unallocated
    • (in addtion, on "my own", I tried to move the 40BG unallocated after the little 8MB unallocated, thinking maybe they would get combined). In any case, the tool ran it after "apply", but it had no effect.
    • Created a Primary partition from the 40BG unallocated, called "temp" without a letter
    • Deleted the "temp partition, making it unallocated.

    I took screens shots after each step. But they are inacessable at the moment.

    I closed out Mini Tool and shut down the machine. And removed the Mini Tool DVD.

    I turned it back on and got the following:
    "No Bootable Devices: strike F1 to retry boot
    F2 for Setup Utility
    F5 to run onboard diagnostics"

    F1 was of no value - same response.
    F5 looked like it would run forever and not be of any value, so I aborted it.
    F2 seems like it would serve no purpose and I closed it out

    I shut down the machine.

    Now what ?

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  9.    08 Apr 2016 #19

    Boot from the recovery DVD again. Run Macrium Reflect. Under the restore menu is a utility to fix windows startup problems. Run that utility, see if that fixes your boot problem. You can also post another screenshot of MiniTool Partition Wizard too and that will help us.

    or another option, just install Windows 10 to the unallocated space, and then we can add Windows Vista back to the boot menu, but I would try the first suggestion first. It would probably be better to get the existing Windows booting again first.
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  10.    08 Apr 2016 #20

    RE: "Boot from the recovery DVD again. Run Macrium Reflect. Under the restore menu is a utility to fix windows startup problems. Run that utility, see if that fixes your boot problem. You can also post another screenshot of MiniTool Partition Wizard too and that will help us".

    First: attached are 2 screenshots: now ("boot problem") and from earlier ("after delete of temp primary partition").

    As for Macrium Reflect, I am lost.
    I managed to get 3 screenshots (numbered 1, 2 & 3):
    #1 - shows what it found, including Windows Vista (no idea what the other thing is)
    #2 - this is after clicking "next"
    #3 - this is after clicking "add" and selecting Windows Vista on the drop down menu for "Windows version". If I click OK,
    I get "Windows path is invalid". I see "path" in the middle, but am not sure what it would be - OR - how I can see
    the contents of the C partition in the current state of this machine.

    HELP !!!

    BTW: nice that you had Mozilla on that DVD - I could use it for this.

    - Bernie
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Capture Boot Problem.PNG   Capture Mini Tool after delete of temp primary partition.PNG   Capture Macrium #1.PNG   Capture Macrium #2.PNG   Capture .PNGMacrium #3.PNG  

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