Windows 10: Windows 7 x86 upgrade hangs on FIRST BOOT with spinning icon

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  1. Night Hawk's Avatar
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       09 Jan 2017 #41

    Sounds like it's time for a full clean install. Upgrade installs from previous versions is often found buggy at best and why many were urked by the initial need to see an upgrade over previous version type install back in 2015. The upgrades typically came out buggy!

    One idea to consider as far as upgrades go in order to prevent potential issues would be to uninstall as much as possible to help the upgrade go as smooth as possible since there would be far less baggage to be carried over. The ideal solution however is a fresh clean install on a fresh clean primary where you start everything off fresh.
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  2.    09 Jan 2017 #42

    This install belonged to a relative who died ten years ago come May, and I intend to preserve it.
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       10 Jan 2017 #43

    Creating a full system image backup of the drive would be the first step in any attempt to preserve it's present state. Any upgrade attempt would be an automatic change being seen. An upgrade of OS is just that a change of OS which often means changes seen not preservation of. I have two laptops purchased for someone now gone for good. The first saw the upgrade to 10 before that person passed away and also saw the display circuit or something else on the 2012 purchased 7 upgraded to 10 laptop.

    The second was the brand new one year ago purchased Sept. 2015 model laptop that had apparently already seen the TH2 before sale and later the Redstone 1 but after that person was gone the previous week or so. That now simply sits in the carrying case unless someone of the immediate family of said decides to want to learn how to use since other family members already have been busy with their own systems.

    Since that had been a replacement not the original gift laptop purchased back in 2012 allowances for anything in particular the 10 WU updates will be seen while mostly everything else will remain the same as the laptop collects dust from now on apparently for the most part. When someone offered to buy it soon afterwards I simply declined. It won't be seeing Windwos 11 or anything else newer going on other then 10 updates however without any specific intent to preserve everything as is 100% which any upgrade of OS as well as software change at your end would. For a 100% preservation as is you would have to leave it 100% untouched/unchanged. The image backup would be the option to help restore the prsent state in the event at some point the drive was found not to work.
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  4.    18 Jan 2017 #44

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Creating a full system image backup of the drive would be the first step in any attempt to preserve it's present state.
    Yes, I've been working from backups.

    Meanwhile, I've created a Win 7 install from which I'm progressively deleting more and more, including uninstallation of all software and removal of all user profiles. It still hands on the FIRST_BOOT of the upgrade.
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       19 Jan 2017 #45

    I think in the long run in order to get a working form of Windows going again you will need to nuke at least the primary if more then one partition is present. That will clear off the mbr information as well from whatever is the hold up.

    To move into 10 finally the better move to consider would simply be skipping the upgrade over 7 part and run with the clean install of 10. You will first need to find out what if any 8.1 if not 10 drivers are to be found for the hardwares. The 10 installer will generally find some for 7 and even make them work at times while the newer the better.

    One good example I could mention here was watching 10 look up the driver(Vista not 7) for an old discontinued PCI type tv tuner/vcr/video capture card. The old XP/Vista software for it that worked well on the 64bit 7 wasn't going to work on 10 however only the device driver. Went to the company's support site and looked up the newer PCI Express models ironically using the same or close in nature chip and tried the software package for the PCIe card(W8.1 package). All went well suggesting the chip on the newer card was actually the same but now seen in PCIe format.

    Sometimes you have to "put blinders on" the OS in order to get it to take when not having newer stuff to work with. 10 has a fare amount of backward compatibility but as most versions mainly to the immediate predecessor 8.1 not even 8 while those tend to share the same. 7 is still in the old Vista/7 ball park there for support while a good number of 7 drivers will still run on 10 depending on the type of device usually. The same for 7 when working with older XP driven wares where you have to tweak things at times or like you are saying the boot is hanging on you suggesting Windows is unable to load some driver or run with some startup. You can try working with it in Safe Mode to select the MSConfig tool's Selective Startup as far as 7 goes to try and isolate the hangup if nothing in the mbr/boot configuration is off.
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  6.    21 Jan 2017 #46

    I've tried everything commonly suggested, to no avail. With regards to giving up, I've put in too much time: I really want to find out what's causing the hang.
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       21 Jan 2017 #47

    Well it might be time now to consider looking over each of the hardwares including the drive(s), cable(s) in use. PIDE, Sata I, II, 3 even? The battery if one is present on the board wearing down will have an effect on the CMOS and settings there. Remember just how old is the system itself?

    A flaky drive cable can cause unsuspected problems especially if the old ide ribbon type which harden up over time and lose their conductivity to the larger extent. Despite what some might think sata cables can become shaky as well at times and need replacement. Working with multiple builds at times as well as building for others where all seems well at first have ended needing to replace a number of those at times mainly due to the "who made them so cheap" factor and had to look on the web for better made! While board manufacturers generally ship adequate quality you still can run into a few bad at times. Perhaps a port or ribbon connector on the board is now toast if not simply loaded up with dust and other fine particles of dirt and debris and needs a good cleaning?! A layer of dust on board can cause any number of issues.

    PCs are a lot like cars at times where maintaining things is a must have to keep things going smooth as possible. Bad sectors on an older worn drive won't help any either. So the best tip anyone can pass along here would be to look at everything in case something was missed. The description you have provided so far however suggests you are reimaging the drive after several deductions of apps rather then seeing to a full clean install on a fresh primary. The Windows installer will generally tend to work around bad sectors while a drive is still useable in order to get the OS working well.
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  8.    22 Jan 2017 #48

    This is definitely a software problem, because the upgrade succeeds if "do not migrate programs and data" is selected. It fails if "do not migrate programs but keep data" or "migrate programs and data" is selected.

    The machine is a brand new ASRock 1150 mini-ITX, and the storage device, a brand new 850 series mSATA, doesn't even have sectors.

    Having deleted all the original users and their data, and uninstalled all the old programs, I am really curious where this problem is. I am wondering if I can dump the Registry to a text file and compare it to a dump of a clean Windows 7 install.
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       22 Jan 2017 #49

    So you are taking an image from an older machine to run on this one? If that is the case you have to start looking at the comparison of the source machine to the much newer destination machine and why a full clean install of Windows would be the first recommendation in order to OS a much newer machine.

    The second item of interest is looking over some information about the newer Asrock board itself which might just explain why 7 is having such a great problem.

    Fast Boot

    With ASRock's exclusive Fast Boot technology, it takes less than 1.5 seconds* to logon to Windows® 8 from a cold boot. No more waiting! The speedy boot will completely change your user experience and behavior.

    *The boot time may vary with a different configuration.
    That was the only thing about OSs on the newegg product information found at: ASRock Z87E-ITX LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel I217V Lan 802.11ac WiFi Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

    They are generally good on providing accurate information there while a trip to Asrock's own support pages was a key note. Instead of 8 their information does however show 7 is supported. ASRock > Z87E-ITX

    OS- Microsoft® Windows® 10 64-bit / 8.1 32-bit / 8.1 64-bit / 8 32-bit / 8 64-bit / 7 32-bit / 7 64-bit
    And that brings us back to the most likely need to see only a full clean install for 7 or newer to even run on the machine there. Restoring images generally requires identical hardwares for the most part unless able to tweak things a bit due to a different video card, memory config, brand, size but mainly not difference in type of drive in order to see the best working results. If you are trying to take this from an old mechanical spinner and reimage things on an SSD type this is what you are running into an incompatible situation. In fact many had fun simply trying to get 7 as well as other versions on fresh when SSDs were first being seen and seems to indicate a degree of stubborness when things don't meet certain criteria.

    In your situation I still have to recommend following the guide for seeing a totally fresh install of 7 go on in order to see working results. When everything is new this is how to proceed. I am forced to agree with Fafhrd's statement earlier about this being far newer when you mention a relative passing when? back in 2007 or so being 10yrs. ago.

    You are trying to put things on a 2012 made system from what? How old and what type of hardware configuration did the source machine have? Old Legacy upgraded to 2K, XP perhaps from 9x? I'm surprised you haven't seen any BSODs yet since there is an apparent major contrast in hardwares to look at if this is the case. If you are trying to preserve things from some old pc this is the reason for why Windows is hanging. You would now need to start off Windows fresh due to the large clash between systems.
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  10.    22 Jan 2017 #50

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    So you are taking an image from an older machine to run on this one? If that is the case you have to start looking at the comparison of the source machine to the much newer destination machine and why a full clean install of Windows would be the first recommendation in order to OS a much newer machine.
    Yes, but I have done this with images from many older machines, and the only ones that would not upgrade to Ten were originally created for Windows 95. I have corrected one difference (changed the cluster size to 4096), but the upgrades will still not boot.

    The second item of interest is looking over some information about the newer Asrock board itself which might just explain why 7 is having such a great problem.
    The upgrade hangs on any machine I've tried it on.

    The board is an ASRock B85M-ITX 1150 with 256gb mSATA, but different boards with old-fashioned spindle drives have the same problem with these upgrades.

    The install upgrades fine to 7, but I can't upgrade to 10 from 7.

    And that brings us back to the most likely need to see only a full clean install for 7 or newer to even run on the machine there. Restoring images generally requires identical hardwares for the most part unless able to tweak things a bit due to a different video card, memory config, brand, size but mainly not difference in type of drive in order to see the best working results. If you are trying to take this from an old mechanical spinner and reimage things on an SSD type this is what you are running into an incompatible situation. In fact many had fun simply trying to get 7 as well as other versions on fresh when SSDs were first being seen and seems to indicate a degree of stubborness when things don't meet certain criteria.
    I have installed all the missing drivers for 7 and removed all nonpresent devices in Device Manager.

    In your situation I still have to recommend following the guide for seeing a totally fresh install of 7 go on in order to see working results. When everything is new this is how to proceed. I am forced to agree with Fafhrd's statement earlier about this being far newer when you mention a relative passing when? back in 2007 or so being 10yrs. ago.
    Yep, but I was able to in-place upgrade an XP install created in 2003 or 2004 to Ten. The difference is this install was originally created for 95, then upgraded to 98 and then 2000 before it was upgraded to XP. The successful XP upgrade was a fresh install of XP on a 32-bit Athlon, and it has since been in-place upgraded to Ten on a variety of modern architectures.

    You are trying to put things on a 2012 made system from what? How old and what type of hardware configuration did the source machine have? Old Legacy upgraded to 2K, XP perhaps from 9x? I'm surprised you haven't seen any BSODs yet since there is an apparent major contrast in hardwares to look at if this is the case. If you are trying to preserve things from some old pc this is the reason for why Windows is hanging. You would now need to start off Windows fresh due to the large clash between systems.
    Its final 2007 configuration was an nForce chipset board with Duron CPU. I removed all that hardware from Device Manager after the successful upgrade to 7.

    Perhaps the hang is due to non-plug 'n' play hardware? There is an FS_REC device that is nonpresent and which I cannot uninstall. I notice in Ten that there are no non-plug-'n'-play devices listed in Device Manager.
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