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  1.    21 Mar 2016 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Incorrect! 7 has to see SP1 installed!
    No, it doesn't. I have upgrade Windows 7 Home Premium non-SP1 to Windows 10 just fine on my newest computer I just built 3 or 4 weeks ago. You seem to have a fixation with Windows 7 SP1. Other members here have also upgraded Windows 7 non-SP1 to Windows 10. SP1 is only required to get the Get Windows 10 icon from Windows update. It is not required to upgrade to Windows 10 using the ISO file.
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  2.    21 Mar 2016 #12
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    Maybe a picture will help...

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  3.    21 Mar 2016 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekimo View Post
    Maybe a picture will help...

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    Yep! I forgot about that matrix! Thanks!
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  4.    21 Mar 2016 #14
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    The original information seen last summer specified SP1 was a requirement for the free upgrade at the time. Obviously MS has been making and likely will continue making changes in who is eliable since they are on a roll to push 10 out. A look at the Feb 1st change seen with the 10 app is a clear indication of that.

    1 Windows Offer Details
    Yes, free! This upgrade offer is for a full version of Windows 10, not a trial. 3GB download required; internet access fees may apply. Estimated retail price of Windows 10 Home shown, actual retail prices may vary. To take advantage of this free offer, you must upgrade to Windows 10 within one year of availability. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.
    Windows 10 Upgrade Offer is valid for qualified and genuine Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, including devices you already own. Some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device and market. The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to Windows 10 enterprise offerings outside of this offer. To check for compatibility and other important installation information, visit your device manufacturer’s website and the Windows 10 Specifications page. Windows 10 is automatically updated. Additional requirements will apply over time for updates. See Windows 10 Upgrade page for details.
    2 The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier.
    3 Cortana available in select markets at launch; experience may vary by region and device.
    4 App and content availability and experience may vary by region and device.
    Source: Windows 10 Upgrade page where you will noted the stipulations for OEM type devices which would include mobile as well as more then laptops, tablet pc, etc.
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  5.    21 Mar 2016 #15
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    In the real world - Windows 7 non-SP1 and Windows 8.0 upgrade to Windows 10 using the ISO file just fine. PERIOD. That's the way it is in real life. Many of us have done it. I just did it 3 or 4 weeks ago. You won't fine the gatherosstate.exe and genuineticket.xml file method of upgrading to Windows 10 on any Microsoft website. But it also works in real life.

    Another member swore for many months that a Windows 7 or 8 product key would become blocked once it was used to upgrade to Windows 10 even though many of us told him, "We have used our previous Windows 7 and 8 product keys just fine after upgrading them to Windows 10". He told us we were wrong until he actually tested it himself under valid conditions, then he came back with, "ummm.... you were right." You, Night Hawk, and your claims about SP1 for Windows 7 remind me of that circumstance.

    So, I have Windows 7 non-SP1 installed and activated. I run setup.exe from the Windows 10 ISO file. Where does it fail?
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  6.    21 Mar 2016 #16
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    Funny I just saw a non SP1 7 key used on a brand new 7 Ultimate VM I will be seeing upgraded to 10 as well as second 7 Pro VM on Hyper-V on the test build upgraded to 10. The problem the OEM for System Builder's dvd for Pro was bought back in 2013 not 2009-10 before the 2011 SP1 launch. The Ultimate iso lacks SP1 however not having seen SP1 slipstreamed there while other updates were.

    By now of course any 7 install having been run for a period of time would have automatically seen SP1 go on by way of the WU unless prevented by intent! Some were having some software issues when the service pack was first seen. And you missed something still from the MS Page there.

    The availability of Windows 10 upgrade for Windows Phone 8.1 devices may vary by OEM, mobile operator or carrier. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1
    Oops! DId I miss something? "Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required." except certain editions like Enterprise? RT? RT 8.1? That is directly from an MS page there. Getting something to work and the MS requirements don't always seem to match up do they?
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  7.    21 Mar 2016 #17
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    That's only to upgrade through windows update that you need SP1.

    You can read whatever you want out of the words you keep finding but the facts have been presented.

    All you are doing is running the thread into the ground arguing about semantics or how you see things.

    If you have to start a thread to carry on your point of view go ahead but doing this in every other thread is getting old.
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  8.    22 Mar 2016 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Getting something to work and the MS requirements don't always seem to match up do they?
    No, they don't always match up. My process on the new computer I just built 3-4 weeks ago:

    1. No network connection to computer.
    2. Install Windows 7 Home Premium from very old non-SP1 DVD.
    3. Activate using phone activation. No Windows 7 updates installed because no network connection.
    4. Insert Windows 10 USB, upgrade to Windows 10 Home.
    5. Now connect to network, Windows 10 activates and updates.
    6. Change Product Key to Windows 10 Pro generic key to trigger upgrade to Pro.
    7. Change Product Key again to Windows 8 Pro upgrade Product key. Windows 10 Pro activates.

    I did it in that specific order because I wanted digital entitlements for both Home and Pro stored on MS activation servers for that computer.
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  9.    22 Mar 2016 #19
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc

    Quote Originally Posted by seek View Post
    Hey! Might be building a new game machine for myself and was wondering what the cheapest way would be to get the Windows 10 Pro 64bit free upgrade? Like where should I buy? Can you just buy an Activation Key somewhere for Windows 7 Pro 64 and install the upgrade and enter the key? Or would I have to install Windows 7 and do an upgrade from there?

    -Thanks!
    Getting back to the actual thread here... Why buy anything 7 for a free upgrade to 10 when you can simply buy 10? For already having 7 or 8, 8.1 you would use the instructions in a guide here for seeing a clean install of 10 go on without fuss. Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First - Windows 10 Forums

    The other option as mentioned earlier would be a dual boot if you preferred to keep 7 going along side 10.
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