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  1.    14 Feb 2016 #21

    Where do you get these chipsets please? Are they Free?



    Quote Originally Posted by tweakit View Post
    Yes, I saw that! it's the only reference I've seen of someone using ver 13.9 which is why I was curious why 13.4 seems to the standard. Maybe just habit perhaps? I plan to use 13.9 and I'll let you know what happens. Since Ver 13.9 was made for Win7, I'll install in compatibility mode for 7.
    Does anyone have any thoughts about other drivers (like the Intel P55 chip-set drivers for example) that were installed by Windows and provided by MS? Should these be updated if an Intel Driver is available? Windows installed drivers for everything and MS is listed as the provider in all cases except for the video driver we discussed. No yellow marks in the Device Manager so maybe I can just run as it is?
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  2.    14 Feb 2016 #22

    Hi,

    Could I re-install windows 7 Pro please? It is a VERY GREAT HEADACHE. I should never try a new version even if it is FREE. Shame to microsoft people.
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  3.    14 Feb 2016 #23
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    Windows 10 Pro/8.1 Pro

    If you upgraded from 7 to 10 within the last month


    Quote Originally Posted by nijjhar View Post
    Hi,

    Could I re-install windows 7 Pro please? It is a VERY GREAT HEADACHE. I should never try a new version even if it is FREE. Shame to microsoft people.
    Sorry you don't like 10. If set up correctly it's a great OS. The trouble is Microsoft does not tell novice users exactly how. You have to dig that out for yourself and this forum is the best place to start. There are all kinds of tweaks one can do to make Windows 10 more usable for them. Out of the 40 or so machines I've upgraded only one user went back to Windows 7. If you upgraded within the last month you can go back to 7. Here's instructions http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-...dows-7-or-8.1/
    If you upgraded over a month ago the only way to get back to 7 is a clean install.
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  4.    14 Feb 2016 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweakit View Post
    Does anyone have any thoughts about other drivers (like the Intel P55 chip-set drivers for example) that were installed by Windows and provided by MS? Should these be updated if an Intel Driver is available?
    The Microsoft drivers should be fine unless you are experiencing problems. Intel has their own tool for checking drivers for their hardware. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/
    Click on "automatically update your drivers" Be sure to make a restore point first.
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  5.    15 Feb 2016 #25
    Join Date : Feb 2016
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit and Windows 7 pro 64
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    Chip-set Drivers


    Thanks for the help. The Intel Driver Update Utility scanned the computer and said “No Drivers were detected for your product.” My chipset is the “P55 Express Chipset.” The utility listed nothing under “Installed version” and “Latest version.” I take that to mean that it either did not find any Chipset Driver or it did not recognize what it found. I searched the Intel site for the P55 chipset and it looks like the latest driver does not support any OS past Windows 7. The Intel utility seems to confirm that.
    I’m suspicious that there are either no drivers installed or there is a very rudimentary driver provided by Microsoft for the P55 chipset. Here is what the Device Manager showed for system devices under Windows 7:
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    Here is what is showed under Window 10
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    Several devices are missing from the Windows 10 installation such as those ending in four digits like 3B42, 3B44, and similar. In Windows 10 it looks like these may be replaced by “Legacy Device” but that shows “no driver is installed.” I’m not sure what all this means but I’m interested in knowing. I am noticing some performance anomalies but I’m not sure if they are related to the above or something else:
    • First it often happens that I’ll click on the top of a window to move it and it will stay still. Sometimes I have to retry this or wait a few seconds before the window will move. It happens often enough to be annoying.
    • Under Network Infrastructure the gateway shows up as below in Windows 7 and also on my other Windows 10 computer. On the computer in question the gateway has no icon, just a blank square!

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    Here’s what I’m interested in knowing:
    • Are my chipset drivers installed properly and are they working OK?
    • Are they responsible for the problems I described or is this due to some other bug yet to be worked out?
    • Am I correct that there are no better chip-set drivers than what MS provided since it doesn’t look like Intel has one for the P55 Chip-Set and Windows 10?

    Thanks for reading and for any help!
    Last edited by tweakit; 15 Feb 2016 at 03:47.
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  6.    15 Feb 2016 #26

    Hi Brother,

    If I reformat the hard drive and use Win 7 disc, it would work.

    Microsoft would let it go as Win 7 and they will not force me to go to Win 10.

    That would be fine. A hard lesson learnt.

    Quote Originally Posted by lgentry View Post
    Sorry you don't like 10. If set up correctly it's a great OS. The trouble is Microsoft does not tell novice users exactly how. You have to dig that out for yourself and this forum is the best place to start. There are all kinds of tweaks one can do to make Windows 10 more usable for them. Out of the 40 or so machines I've upgraded only one user went back to Windows 7. If you upgraded within the last month you can go back to 7. Here's instructions http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-...dows-7-or-8.1/
    If you upgraded over a month ago the only way to get back to 7 is a clean install.
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  7.    15 Feb 2016 #27
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    Windows 10 Pro/8.1 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by tweakit View Post
    Thanks for the help. The Intel Driver Update Utility scanned the computer and said “No Drivers were detected for your product.” My chipset is the “P55 Express Chipset.” The utility listed nothing under “Installed version” and “Latest version.” I take that to mean that it either did not find any Chipset Driver or it did not recognize what it found. I searched the Intel site for the P55 chipset and it looks like the latest driver does not support any OS past Windows 7. The Intel utility seems to confirm that.
    I’m suspicious that there are either no drivers installed or there is a very rudimentary driver provided by Microsoft for the P55 chipset. Here is what the Device Manager showed for system devices under Windows 7:
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	DM7.PNG 
Views:	21 
Size:	132.3 KB 
ID:	64305

    Here is what is showed under Window 10
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	DM_10.PNG 
Views:	3 
Size:	21.1 KB 
ID:	64306

    Several devices are missing from the Windows 10 installation such as those ending in four digits like 3B42, 3B44, and similar. In Windows 10 it looks like these may be replaced by “Legacy Device” but that shows “no driver is installed.” I’m not sure what all this means but I’m interested in knowing. I am noticing some performance anomalies but I’m not sure if they are related to the above or something else:
    • First it often happens that I’ll click on the top of a window to move it and it will stay still. Sometimes I have to retry this or wait a few seconds before the window will move. It happens often enough to be annoying.
    • Under Network Infrastructure the gateway shows up as below in Windows 7 and also on my other Windows 10 computer. On the computer in question the gateway has no icon, just a blank square!

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Gateway.PNG 
Views:	21 
Size:	4.7 KB 
ID:	64307

    Here’s what I’m interested in knowing:
    • Are my chipset drivers installed properly and are they working OK?
    • Are they responsible for the problems I described or is this due to some other bug yet to be worked out?
    • Am I correct that there are no better chip-set drivers than what MS provided since it doesn’t look like Intel has one for the P55 Chip-Set and Windows 10?

    Thanks for reading and for any help!
    I have the H57 chipset. Here's what device manager looked like after I did a clean install of 10. These are Microsoft's drivers. I ran this way for quite some time.
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    I then decided to try the Windows 7 chipset driver dated 2009. Now this is what it looks like and it's working fine using that old driver. Windows 10 did not squack about using the old driver at all. It doesn't show in the screenshot but all those devices you refer to as ending in 4 digits are also there. I did not use compatibility mode to install it. .
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    Before you go to the trouble of a clean install go to the manufacturer web site and download the driver. If there is one for Windows 8/8.1 use it. If not use the Windows 7 one.

    While messing with your drivers also verify that your display adapter and sound are not using the generic Microsoft drivers. Those are the ones that I have found to be missing after the upgrade. Good luck.
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  8.    15 Feb 2016 #28
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    Very interesting! Intel has some recent Windows 7 driver but it never occurred to me to use that.
    • Did you notice any bugs that got fixed after going to the Intel chip set driver?
    • Do you think my mouse delay or icon issue might be caused by the MS chip set Driver?

    The audio and display adapter are both MS now. I haven’t changed anything yet but can change both of those. BTW, I am working with a clean install of Ten now. I gave up on the upgrade per detail in post #16. Also, I’ve heard that Chip set drivers should be installed before other drivers or applications.
    • Is this true? Do you know why?

    Thanks for the help!
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  9.    15 Feb 2016 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweakit View Post
    Very interesting! Intel has some recent Windows 7 driver but it never occurred to me to use that.
    • Did you notice any bugs that got fixed after going to the Intel chip set driver?
    • Do you think my mouse delay or icon issue might be caused by the MS chip set Driver?

    The audio and display adapter are both MS now. I haven’t changed anything yet but can change both of those. BTW, I am working with a clean install of Ten now. I gave up on the upgrade per detail in post #16. Also, I’ve heard that Chip set drivers should be installed before other drivers or applications.
    • Is this true? Do you know why?

    Thanks for the help!
    I think chipset is always installed first because certain other hardware depend on it in order to be detected correctly. I really did not notice any issues running Microsoft's drivers. I don't think your icon issue is related to the chipset at all. That's more on the software side. Mouse delay, maybe. There's no way of knowing for sure but I have seen chipset drivers cause some weird things. You did not state your make and model computer so I don't know graphics or sound controller you have. If you have Intel graphics you will see it change in device manager once you install the chipset driver as well as your IDE controller. To get full resolution the Microsoft display adapter driver will not work. In my case as in the above example I do not have Intel graphics. If your sound is Realtek they have recently released a Windows 10 driver. Go to the "drivers and hardware" section of this forum. You'll be much better off in the long run having done a clean install. I'm a firm believer in doing them over doing an upgrade. Once you get all the correct drivers may I suggest you backup all your drivers in case you ever have to go through this again. There are a number of programs that will do this but I use a simple, standalone program called Doubledriver .(run as administrator) You need backup only the non-Microsoft drivers. http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...le_driver.html
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  10.    15 Feb 2016 #30
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    Thread Starter

    Thanks much for your continued help/suggestions.
    Check my system specs for full info on the system. The mobo is Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 (Rev 2) which has Intel P55 chipset, i7-870 processor. All info for mobo is here:
    http://www.gigabyte.us/products/prod...px?pid=3440#ov
    Audio is: Realtek ALC892 codec. Graphics is AMD HD4670 with the driver Windows loaded (AMD ver 8.970.100.9001).
    Presently my clean install is unchanged except for updates from Windows Update.
    Quote Originally Posted by lgentry View Post
    I think chipset is always installed first because certain other hardware depend on it in order to be detected correctly.
    • Does this suggest that I should first update from the exiting Microsoft chipset driver to the Intel Driver prior to updating any other Drivers?
    • Would it not be good to update audio and graphics drivers first and if my mouse delay is not fixed, then update the chipset driver to the Intel driver?

    Here’s what I plan to do:
    I plan to update the graphics driver for my AMD HD4670 with Catalyst 13.9. I will also update the Realtek audio to the Windows 10 driver. Some folks have reported some kind of mouse delay and traced it to video or audio drivers so I think that is the first line of attack. If it doesn’t fix it I may have to try updating the chipset driver but I’m concerned that if I update that, it may need to be done prior to updating any other driver. That's why I asked the question above. Thanks again for your help!
    Last edited by tweakit; 15 Feb 2016 at 19:31.
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