Windows 10: Need your suggestion : How perfect W-10 for my PC?

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  1.    27 Jan 2016 #1

    Need your suggestion : How perfect W-10 for my PC?


    My PC Configuration is

    Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80 GHz

    6 GB Ram

    Now I'm using W-7.
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  2. Night Hawk's Avatar
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       27 Jan 2016 #2

    Not likely on any old Pentium and especially not on any Celeron machine. The cpu series is simply too old and you would only run the 32bit on a P4 since it lacks the architecture for Virtualization support and other thing the newer iCore 3, 5 cpus are designed to support.

    And one other factor is likely the need to not only upgrade the main board but other hardwares that may not even see Windows 8.1 drivers and apps available if those are too old as well such as the video and sound cards if not running onboard graphics and/or onboard sound. You system specs show Windows 8 if that is the same machine you are asking about here with onboard graphics instead of a separate expansion card for the display.

    Here I am still running a 5yr. old custom build with the 10/7 dual boot where each item sees at least 64bit W8.1 drivers including the main board but I am also running an AMD past the old Atholon I series being the Phenom II quad core and the Hyper-V virtualization feature is enabled on 10 while on 7 VM ware's Workstation 12 Player is required there to run VMs!

    So with 8 you should already be familiar with how Hyper-V replaced the old Virtual PC 2007 ran on 7 especially for the XP Mode when MS wanted XP machines to be upgraded to 7 in the business community. The recommendation for you as far as the P4 machine is concerned however would be to simply try 10 out on a VM while leaving 7 intact and once you are into newer gear then give 10 a go since it is a progression to 7 despite being three versions newer seeing the update Start menu and improved WinMin kernel advancing. But the cpu is a hold up for you there unfortunately.
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  3.    27 Jan 2016 #3

    Depends on which Pentium 4 you have. Windows 8 and later require NX and only some Pentium 4 have this feature.

    Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware - Windows 10 Forums

    You can check if your processor supports it by running coreinfo as described here

    How To Check If Your Processor (CPU) Supports Windows 8
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  4.    27 Jan 2016 #4

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Not likely on any old Pentium and especially not on any Celeron machine. The cpu series is simply too old and you would only run the 32bit on a P4 since it lacks the architecture for Virtualization support and other thing the newer iCore 3, 5 cpus are designed to support.

    And one other factor is likely the need to not only upgrade the main board but other hardwares that may not even see Windows 8.1 drivers and apps available if those are too old as well such as the video and sound cards if not running onboard graphics and/or onboard sound. You system specs show Windows 8 if that is the same machine you are asking about here with onboard graphics instead of a separate expansion card for the display.

    Here I am still running a 5yr. old custom build with the 10/7 dual boot where each item sees at least 64bit W8.1 drivers including the main board but I am also running an AMD past the old Atholon I series being the Phenom II quad core and the Hyper-V virtualization feature is enabled on 10 while on 7 VM ware's Workstation 12 Player is required there to run VMs!

    So with 8 you should already be familiar with how Hyper-V replaced the old Virtual PC 2007 ran on 7 especially for the XP Mode when MS wanted XP machines to be upgraded to 7 in the business community. The recommendation for you as far as the P4 machine is concerned however would be to simply try 10 out on a VM while leaving 7 intact and once you are into newer gear then give 10 a go since it is a progression to 7 despite being three versions newer seeing the update Start menu and improved WinMin kernel advancing. But the cpu is a hold up for you there unfortunately.
    FFS - nobody would attempt to run things like virtualisation on a pentium 4. Not many people do that anyway.

    The real issue is if it even possible as early pentium 4s did not support NX, which you need to run Windows 10.

    To check

    http://www.technize.net/how-to-check...-installation/

    Assuming it is capable of running windows 10 from a cpu perspective, then all OP needs to do is image backup pc, install 10, try it and if issues, simply restore image back to current state.

    I have my doubts it is worth it but some people say Windows 10 runs well on their old devices.
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  5. Night Hawk's Avatar
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       27 Jan 2016 #5

    Don't ever think no one would ever try anything on an old boat to see if it works at all. Virtual Box and the XP mode came out while there were still plenty of P4s still in use! In fact people were running rather basic VMs on the Celerons as well but could only go so far back then. For the Hyper-V feature not VM ware you would see the few P4s lxo7 was referring to support 10 but on the limited basis people were trying 10 out with.

    One link posted on the thread lx07 pointed to refers to he Data Execution Protection process in Windows.

    If my DEP settings indicate that my computer’s processor does not support hardware-based DEP, am I still protected?

    Yes. DEP is a software-based feature of Windows. Some computer processors also provide hardware-based DEP under various names. These processors use hardware technology to prevent programs from running code in protected memory locations. If your processor does not support hardware-based DEP, Windows will use software-based DEP to help protect your computer.
    That is seen in the MS Faq page seen at Data Execution Prevention: frequently asked questions
    But was also applied to Vista there not 10.

    As for both of the other articles those refer to the PAE and NX as far as Windows 8 which saw a change to a certain degree with 8.1 and then with 10. While you may see 10 go on old pcs running it as you would an older version may not be so likely.

    Years back some were able to get 7 on some really low end machines that belonged in a museum at the time since those were more Legacy capable. not seeing much memory on those! I think someone was trying 7 on a pc with less then 128mb if not mistaken just to see if the beta build at the time would run. The saying is however "if it isn't broke don' fix it!" referring to either having and knowing 7 will run flawlessly being that it is an old machine or finding 10 won't quite make the trip for normal use despite seeing it go on. The problems then come when you try running all the rest of your usual programs with many likely going to need newer versions anyways to start with like the latest build for the antivirus software as the first in line!
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  6.    27 Jan 2016 #6

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Don't ever think no one would ever try anything on an old boat to see if it works at all. Virtual Box and the XP mode came out while there were still plenty of P4s still in use! In fact people were running rather basic VMs on the Celerons as well but could only go so far back then. For the Hyper-V feature not VM ware you would see the few P4s lxo7 was referring to support 10 but on the limited basis people were trying 10 out with.

    One link posted on the thread lx07 pointed to refers to he Data Execution Protection process in Windows.



    That is seen in the MS Faq page seen at Data Execution Prevention: frequently asked questions
    But was also applied to Vista there not 10.

    As for both of the other articles those refer to the PAE and NX as far as Windows 8 which saw a change to a certain degree with 8.1 and then with 10. While you may see 10 go on old pcs running it as you would an older version may not be so likely.

    Years back some were able to get 7 on some really low end machines that belonged in a museum at the time since those were more Legacy capable. not seeing much memory on those! I think someone was trying 7 on a pc with less then 128mb if not mistaken just to see if the beta build at the time would run. The saying is however "if it isn't broke don' fix it!" referring to either having and knowing 7 will run flawlessly being that it is an old machine or finding 10 won't quite make the trip for normal use despite seeing it go on. The problems then come when you try running all the rest of your usual programs with many likely going to need newer versions anyways to start with like the latest build for the antivirus software as the first in line!
    OP just asked for an opinion, not a load of high tech gobbledygook.

    He is probably just curious. The simplest option is to try. By creating an image backup he can safely try it and will probably conclude that himself.

    But how will he ever know unless he tries?
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  7.    27 Jan 2016 #7

    cereberus said: View Post
    OP just asked for an opinion, not a load of high tech gobbledygook.

    He is probably just curious. The simplest option is to try. By creating an image backup he can safely try it and will probably conclude that himself.

    But how will he ever know unless he tries?
    I agree.. that's the best way to find out IMO is to back up the system and give it a shot/try. Setting up a VM is more work than is needed for this situation and it's not really answering the question, IMO,,,,
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  8.    27 Jan 2016 #8

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I agree.. that's the best way to find out IMO is to back up the system and give it a shot/try.
    Only if coreinfo says your CPU is valid.

    If your CPU isn't supported it is a complete waste of time backing up, downloading the 10 ISO, trying to upgrade, restoring back....

    It only takes a minute or two to check.
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  9.    27 Jan 2016 #9

    lx07 said: View Post
    Only if coreinfo says your CPU is valid.

    If your CPU isn't supported it is a complete waste of time backing up, downloading the 10 ISO, trying to upgrade, restoring back....

    It only takes a minute or two to check.
    Spot on.
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  10.    27 Jan 2016 #10

    lx07 said: View Post
    Only if coreinfo says your CPU is valid.

    If your CPU isn't supported it is a complete waste of time backing up, downloading the 10 ISO, trying to upgrade, restoring back....

    It only takes a minute or two to check.
    Yes and you don't need to bother with a VM either.
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