Windows 10: Ridiculous installation requirement

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  1. Posts : 1,544
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       06 Jan 2015 #41

    I believe a description of what is allowed is in order and could possibly clear up allot of potential confusion
    Simply showing make a Microsoft account is too vague is all I'm really saying,
    What your saying is not common knowledge Mystere.
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  2.    06 Jan 2015 #42

    ThrashZone said: View Post
    I believe a description of what is allowed is in order and could possibly clear up allot of potential confusion
    Simply showing make a Microsoft account is too vague is all I'm really saying,
    What your saying is not common knowledge Mystere.
    I am aware most people don't know they can do this, but I'm not really sure how far Microsoft has to go to hold peoples hands either.

    Slartybart said: View Post
    I'm fairly certain I always mentioned MS Account when I said you can use any eMail account. Let me know if I missed something in a post and I'll correct it.
    I was not responding to you Bill, I was clarifying what a "Microsoft Account" is for purposes of the thread, because I don't think everyone really grasped the simple concept.
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       06 Jan 2015 #43

    Man that's wrong minded dude :/
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       06 Jan 2015 #44

    MR E: It occurred to me that you might simply be making a general comment / contribution. But I thought your clarification needed clarification So I simplified (in my mind anyway) what you said.

    and ... you piqued my interest with the use of Microsoft Authentication system, so I searched first, then asked about it.

    I'm still interested in any reference you have to the MS Authentication (service...system...foundationclass...how ever it is classified). Whitepapers are good, but please don't go out of your way to search, I can try that again.

    As I mentioned in my reply to Kari ... our discussion won't change anything of great consequence
    buy I enjoy a good discussion with lively debate

    All good stuff.

    Sidenote: I did Me too a installation User Account feedback and included pretty much the scenario outlined in post #37 starting about midway down and after A thought just occurred to me....
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  5.    06 Jan 2015 #45

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    ...I can't blame them for peddling their wares...
    Peddling is one thing; trying to ram them down one's throat is something else.
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  6. Posts : 12,388
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       07 Jan 2015 #46

    Going back to OP's original issue and questions about it, I think a summary of facts might be a good idea.


     Facts about MS Account

    There are two different types of MS Accounts:

    1.) MS Account using a Microsoft hosted email service excluding Office 365 email addresses. Accepted email services are Outlook.com, Hotmail.com, Live.com, MSN.com and their localized counterparts like Hotmail.fi, Hotmail.co.jp or Live.co.uk

    - Additional email address and / or phone number is required when the email account is created

    - Account can be used as sign in account to Windows 8 or later, security code required when setting up Windows sign in access will be sent to the secondary contact email or phone if no other method is set up in MS Account's security settings (additional email address or phone number, Authenticator app)

    - Emails can be checked, received and sent using web interface for Outlook.com / Hotmail.com / Live.com


    2.) MS Account using a third party email service including Microsoft Office 365 email.

    - No additional email address or phone number is needed when MS Account is setup

    - Account can be used as sign in account to Windows 8 or later, security code required when setting up Windows sign in access will be sent to the third party email in question if no other method is set up in MS Account's security settings (additional email address or phone number, Authenticator app)

    - Emails can be sent but not checked / received using web interface for Outlook.com / Hotmail.com / Live.com

     In addition


    • The use of an MS Account (type 1 or 2 as explained above) as sign in account for Windows 8 or later is well documented both by Microsoft and for instance our forums (Seven Forums, Eight Forums and Ten Forums)
    • Using a local account instead of MS Account to sign in to Windows is not a solution nor a workaround to avoid use of security code because a local account does not offer the same level of synchronization and other services as an MS Account
    • Setting up an MS Account, be it type 1 or 2 as explained above without any additional security measures and then running into problems when user's only access to email is the very same device he / she is currently installing Windows can easily be avoided by getting to know the MS Account's security settings and setting up a security phone number and / or the Authenticator app prior to installing Windows
    • When installing Windows or setting up an additional user account using an MS Account will only require the security code once during the initial account set up. The code will never again be asked when signing in to Windows later on the same device


    For security settings and other methods to get the security code when using type 1 MS Account, see this post.

    For security settings and other methods to get the security code when using type 2 MS Account, see this screenshot:

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  7.    07 Jan 2015 #47

    Hi there

    If after all this you don't want to use an Ms account and stay with a purely local account as I've posted before in this very thread simply disconnect from the Internet at the stage you get asked to set up a Ms account. Then click the back arrow. You'll then be able to set up a local account. Re-connect to the Internet and then finish installation.

    What I intensely dislike about the Ms account is that it gives your account name on the logon screen - that includes the email part of the account. That surely breaks Ms's own security rules. On a Lock screen having a Username only is OK but having the @xxxxx.com part (or whatever email you used to create the account) displayed as well seems idiotic in the extreme especially if the computer is in a large office for example -- you don't want people to get at your PRIVASTE email addresses.

    So far using purely local accounts I haven't run into any security problems on my computers -- I don't use things like Hotmail and have no interest at all in either the STORE or any subscription "thingeys" like Office 365.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8.    07 Jan 2015 #48

    More I read here, the less likely I'll leave Win 7. Yeesh!
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  9.    07 Jan 2015 #49

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    More I read here, the less likely I'll leave Win 7. Yeesh!
    LF, you got a point. They are making it ever more complicated for us. First they bother us with Secure Boot and UEFI.. Now it is all this account crap. Next you can probably not make a single step without inserting your credit card.
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  10. Posts : 12,388
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       07 Jan 2015 #50

    Lady Fitzgerald said: View Post
    More I read here, the less likely I'll leave Win 7. Yeesh!
    Somewhat strange comment.

    You mean that because it's possible to use Windows 8 and later with an MS Account for sign in in addition to a local account as in Windows 7, and because said MS Account has added security features for instance asking a security code once when a user account using it is created, you will not upgrade your Windows 7?

    I've heard a lot but your comment takes the price. In times when the online security has clearly become extremely important, accounts and services hacked and hijacked almost daily, one small added security feature is for some users The Reason not to upgrade Windows. "I will not upgrade my Windows 7 because of the security code asked once when I use a later Windows with MS Account!".

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