Windows 10: Ridiculous installation requirement

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  1. Posts : 526
    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS
       16 Jan 2015 #91

    I also have one credit card and charge everything that costs over $15, pay it off when I get the bill. I never pay interest.
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  2. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       16 Jan 2015 #92

    Well, here's an interesting predicament.

    I created a new local account, switched to my MSA account, went through the eMail code security - all is well.
    Went to my MSA account and looked at some settings - all is well
    Went to PC Settings - > Accounts and saw a that I had to verify my account, ok I tapped the Verify - nothing, tapped it again and the wheel spun for 2 seconds - then nothing.

    I do not have 2-step verification, so that's not it.

    Poked around in my MSA some more, changed my alert eMail, got the code at the new alert email, set it, and removed the old alert eMail. - all is well

    Tried tapping the verify again - nothing

    Hmmmmmm, tried the store App - open, no spinner, closed

    I'm schtuck .... Let me see if I can do anything with the original sign-in and MSA - I'll be back

    Good thing it's a VM - the primary account cannot get to the store either,
    there isn't a verify on the original account and I can access my MSA.

    So this is an App issue, sort of. I was trying to verify the new account but it did nothing.

    wsreset threw this:

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    I'll try to register the Store App(s) again

    I was not logged in to both accounts at the same time
    I logged off one account then in as the other and then into my MSA

    It was about as clean a process as I could make it.

    C'est la vie - it's a Tech Preview.

    I'll Feed MS with what I have, me too if I can find a similar report
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  3.    16 Jan 2015 #93

    Mike, use high contrast. That's colorful.


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  4.    17 Jan 2015 #94

    whs said: View Post
    alphanumeric said: View Post
    whs said: View Post
    The live id is really handy - even if you buy no apps. The other day I bought a Lumia phone from the MS store. That also went all automatic for the payment via my live id.
    It works for me. I think a lot of the resistance to it is the "Big brother is watching me." syndrome. You can turn a lot of what gets synced off, and do it during the install. I'm not unsympathetic to those that don't want to use it, I just don't get some of the reasons for not using it. That's life though.
    On the other hand nobody seems to mind to give all their id to 25 credit cards and pay with those cards even in the most questionable stores. It's a strange world.

    I have 1 credit card and pay cash wherever I can - Old European habit. In Europe, many stores don't even accept a credit card. In the US I have seen people even paying a small amount with it at McDo.
    Debit cards are the norm here where I'm at. Hardly anybody uses cash any more. Except maybe at Tim Horton's, if they don't have a Tim's card, lol. Anyway, I totally agree with what your saying, it's a strange world for sure.
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  5. Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       17 Jan 2015 #95

    ThrashZone said: View Post
    Thanks Bill

    My main issue is I have so many accounts 2 ms 2 gmail and so on it's impossible to choose one,
    Signing into apps individually doesn't limit ones self to one account if a user wanted to use the other built in apps for separate accounts
    I'm sure everyone has multiple accounts in different services.
    .....
    You're welcome Mike,

    and so on ... I forget how many accounts I have
    Some are on domains created for my businesses or created for clients (testing purposes). Most of these are dormant. Many ids also have aliases.

    I rarely use the web clients though, a local eMail client pulls it all to me - and I never have to see any of the advertising (unless it's in the msg).

    Your post piques my interest though - something I'll play with when I get the chance.
    Sign in to Windows with one MSA and use a different MSA to individually sign in to Apps.
    Probably not the way most people would use Windows, but interesting.

    Why would I do that? Because it can be done and I'm curious.

    Bill
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  6. Posts : 526
    W 7 desktop Home Premium 64 - OS
       17 Jan 2015 #96

    Why so many accounts?
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  7. Posts : 1,467
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       17 Jan 2015 #97

    Unacceptable to me


    Slartybart said: View Post
    Users are forced to accept a Microsoft Account simply to install Windows

    While I know that isn't true, I also feel that the Win8 debate was largely manufactured by the press and some high powered tech jockeys.
    MS is using exactly the same scam that Download sites use.

    The link related to using a Local account is in tiny print.
    I seem to recall that in W10 that link is on a different screen (confirmed by your earlier post):
    Slartybart said: View Post
    I thnk the confusion stems from this screen: https://www.tenforums.com/attachments...windows_10-jpg

    It appears to call for creating a MS account, lower down on the screen, it says "Don't have an account ... create new account"
    When you click on that text link, only then are you given the option to "Sign in without a MS account"
    - it isn't clear unless you're following the tutorial that you can do this as everything on the screens push you towards a MS account.

    When you click on the Sign in without a MS account text link, you can create a local account.

    The first time I installed W10, I couldn't see how to avoid the MS log in scam, so I crashed the PC.
    I disconnected the Network and tried again, to see if that would provoke a more reasonable response (which it did).

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    It works for me. I think a lot of the resistance to it is the "Big brother is watching me." syndrome. You can turn a lot of what gets synced off, and do it during the install. I'm not unsympathetic to those that don't want to use it, I just don't get some of the reasons for not using it. That's life though.
    1. They don't need to know
    2. They can't even properly secure your info from criminals
    3. Why should they receive money for my info when I don't?


    The test I always apply in these type of situations is to replace <Corporate Name> with <Government Agency>:
    1. "Sign in using your MS Live account."
    2. "Sign in using your Department of Homeland Security account."


    As far as I'm concerned, if it is unacceptable for one sector to do something, then it is also unacceptable for the other sector to do it.

    In the above example, it's unacceptable to me that I should have to inform either of those groups, when I want to use my PC.
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  8. Posts : 1,511
    Win-7Prox64 Win-8.1Prox64 Win-10Prox64
       17 Jan 2015 #98

    Yep high contrast seems more indepth at this early stag and that is sad in it's self

    That is a good test Bill but as I said you can do that in a local account so your test would be interesting but might be problematic let us know

    Why many accounts
    Well one is always primary on each service as Bill said pop3 can be used with a business domain to it which is true for one of my gmail addresses it's just works so it says
    And of course one throw down for spam magnets for online purchases to forums stuff.....
    Same goes for Hotmail and outlook.com except no real emailing... just have had one for ever and another as a throw down/ expendable...
    Most would already be connected to a cell phone so adding a text to second verification system to an account is redundant
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  9.    17 Jan 2015 #99

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    MS is using exactly the same scam that Download sites use.

    The link related to using a Local account is in tiny print.
    I seem to recall that in W10 that link is on a different (later) screen.

    The first time I installed W10, I couldn't see how to avoid the MS log in scam, so I crashed the PC.
    I disconnected the Network and tried again, to see if that would provoke a more reasonable response (which it did).

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    It works for me. I think a lot of the resistance to it is the "Big brother is watching me." syndrome. You can turn a lot of what gets synced off, and do it during the install. I'm not unsympathetic to those that don't want to use it, I just don't get some of the reasons for not using it. That's life though.
    1. They don't need to know
    2. They can't even properly secure your info from criminals
    3. Why should they receive money for my info when I don't?


    The test I always apply in these type of situations is to replace <Corporate Name> with <Government Agency>:
    1. "Sign in using your MS Live account."
    2. "Sign in using your Department of Homeland Security account."


    As far as I'm concerned, if it is unacceptable for one sector to do something, then it is also unacceptable for the other sector to do it.

    In the above example, it's unacceptable to me that I should have to inform either of those groups, when I want to use my PC.
    Fine, then don't use Windows 8.0, 8.1, or Windows 10. Switch to another operating system that meets your requirements. What's so hard about that?
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  10. Posts : 1,467
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       17 Jan 2015 #100

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Fine, then don't use Windows 8.0, 8.1, or Windows 10. Switch to another operating system that meets your requirements. What's so hard about that?
    I don't use the W8 series (although not because of this issue).

    If W10 makes it mandatory, then I won't use that either.
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