Windows 10: An annoying issue with 1511 clean installs

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  1.    16 Nov 2015 #11

    lx07 said: View Post
    You can't run universal apps with elevated privileges so they will not work using built in Administrator account. You can't run them with UAC disabled for the same reason.
    Um... No. This is something you borrowed from Windows 8 book. In Windows 8 it was not a big deal because administrative functions were carried out by the "classic" windows applications and apples.

    In Windows 10 Microsoft decided to redirect many administrative functions from "classic" windows applications and applets to new "universal" ones. They also decided to push Edge as the primary browser for Windows 10. In order to do that they had to allow running universal apps under built-in Administrator. And that is exactly what they did. The ability to run universal apps under such accounts as built-in Administrator is one of the fundamental differences of Windows 10 from Windows 8.

    That applies to all universal apps. In the original Windows 10 you can run absolutely anything under the built-in Administrator. The problem described above began only after 1511 update and only in clean installs.

    lx07 said: View Post
    If you are able to run them on an upgraded install then something is wrong. Certainly I can't and never have been able to.
    I don't know why have never been able to run them. Everybody was able to run universal apps under the built-in Administrator after the original release of Windows 10. This was one of the "big things" about Windows 10. Moreover, everyone is still able to do it after the upgrade to 1511, as long as it was really an upgrade.

    The block is there in clean installs only. Why it is so - I don't know. Is Microsoft now trying to pedal back to Windows-8-style behavior?
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  2.    16 Nov 2015 #12

    AndreyT said: View Post
    Um... Administrative tasks, of course. Software setup, computer configuration - you name it.

    The question here is actually the other way around: what are you trying to do with an extra administrator account that you cannot in the regular built-in administrator account?
    Microsoft has locked out some functions in the built-in administrator account because it is intended to be used for emergencies only, when there is no other administrator account available on the computer. It's like the "safe mode" of user accounts. So, basically, you can continue to be stubborn and frustrated, or you can create a local administrator account to do everything you want to do. Or switch to Linux.
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  3.    16 Nov 2015 #13

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    So, basically, you can continue to be stubborn and frustrated, or you can create a local administrator account to do everything you want to do. Or switch to Linux.
    The point of this thread is not my "frustrations" or "Linux". The point of this thread is

    1) Obvious objective inconsistency between the behavior of updated 1511 systems and clean-installed 1511 systems.
    2) Obvious objective inconsistency between the behavior of clean-installed pre-1511 systems and clean-installed 1511 systems.

    I'm not interested in "workarounds" and never asked for any. What I would like to know is if anyone here ever came across any official information on what Microsoft's intent is. What on Earth are they trying to do?
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  4.    16 Nov 2015 #14

    AndreyT said: View Post
    What I would like to know is if anyone here ever came across any official information on what Microsoft's intent is. What on Earth are they trying to do?
    While this is for Vista, it pretty much remains true all the way up through Windows 10:
    Enable and Disable the Built-in Administrator Account

    Their intent is clear. Microsoft wants to limit the use of the built-in administrator account for emergency use only. It is a protective feature. If the built-in administrator account is used as the daily and only administrator account and something corrupts it there is nothing left to fall back on. Creating a local administrator account is not a workaround. It is using the operating system within the limitations that were programmed in as a protective measure.
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  5.    16 Nov 2015 #15

    AndreyT said: View Post
    I don't know why have never been able to run them. Everybody was able to run universal apps under the built-in Administrator after the original release of Windows 10. This was one of the "big things" about Windows 10. Moreover, everyone is still able to do it after the upgrade to 1511, as long as it was really an upgrade
    I certainly did upgrade to 1511 and can't run any universal apps under built in administrator either on this upgraded version or on clean install.

    I'm pretty sure I couldn't on 10240. I definitely couldn't in audit mode but can't be sure about signing on as administrator afterwards as I didn't do it . I'll restore a 10240 backup and check it later but it won't help with your issue I'm afraid
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  6.    16 Nov 2015 #16

    Just guessing but I suspect that the upgraded account started with a regular admin account which carried over in the upgrade. Your scratch install had no account and is using the built-in admin one. Just create a new admin, and move on.
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  7.    16 Nov 2015 #17

    chemie said: View Post
    Just guessing but I suspect that the upgraded account started with a regular admin account which carried over in the upgrade.
    No, in all cases I'm talking about the built-in Administrator account named "Administrator" and activated through

    net user Administrator /active:yes
    Last edited by AndreyT; 16 Nov 2015 at 15:05.
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  8.    16 Nov 2015 #18

    lx07 said: View Post
    I'll restore a 10240 backup and check it later but it won't help with your issue I'm afraid
    It is just the same in 10240 as in 10586 (upgraded or not) for me - Administrator blocks universal apps...

    I don't know how you did it.

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  9.    16 Nov 2015 #19

    lx07 said: View Post
    It is just the same in 10240 as in 10586 (upgraded or not) for me - Administrator blocks universal apps...
    I don't know how you did it.
    I'm wondering the same thing about you. Here's my beloved built-in Administrator (on an updated machine) running everything without any problems

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    It is quite possible that the moment at which the built-in Administrator was activated (and logged in) the very first time matters. My built-in Administrator was activated before the update, which is why it can run universal apps.

    Your built-in Administrator, I suspect, was activated after the update (is this the case?), which is why it refuses to lauch universal apps.
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  10.    16 Nov 2015 #20

    AndreyT said: View Post
    My built-in Administrator was activated before the update, which is why it can run universal apps.
    Which update? Before Windows 10 update or before 1511 update?

    AndreyT said: View Post
    Your built-in Administrator, I suspect, was activated after the update (is this the case?), which is why it refuses to lauch universal apps.
    The install I got the picture above from is still on 10240 (it was upgraded from an older activated preview build - never had 7 or 8). I never activated the Administrator account on it before today.

    My usual install is on 1511. I clean installed 10240 on it and went into audit mode before sysprep (which is signing on as Administrator obviously). I then upgraded to 1511. I never activated the Administrator account before and so didn't (perhaps this is relevant) have Administrator in the Users directory.
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