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  1.    29 Oct 2015 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by spapakons View Post
    Before you start the clean-install, download any drivers you may need. I have seen cases that the LAN or WiFi do not work until you install drivers. This means no internet connection to download the drivers, so do it beforehand. Also I would avoid Windows Update (uncheck the box to look for updates during install) to make sure I won't have any issues due to generic Microsoft non-working drivers. After successfully installed Windows 10, you can install the chipset driver, restart and then everything else. This makes sure the drivers are the latest and most compatible. Also hide any driver updates as described here to avoid working drivers being replaced and get into problems.
    I've always thought that it takes a computer to build a computer. I've got an old notebook PC running XP that I use to download drivers and other software if I get stuck. I can also post on the help forums if it's a really bad issue.

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  2.    30 Oct 2015 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjg79 View Post
    I don't think it's normal for the system to stay in selective start up. If it stays in selective start up, there is a reason. Perhaps is due to an upgrade install where something has been disabled due to conflict. Perhaps a driver is not correct. I don't know for sure, but I think it's something that needs to be investigated.



    If selective start up was normal, why do they have an normal start up option displayed?

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    Did you read any of links i posted to you on this ? In fact from what i read this started with the last update in Windows 7, why does not seem right to you as this was last OS you have been using. Selective Startup is usually set when some processes in services and Startup are disabled or set to manual settings. Which might be the case with Windows 8 on. I believe if you try to let it stay in Normal startup you will then be starting processes that do not need to start along with startups you may want to be disabled as this is how it worked with older OS. As to when you disabled a process then Windows would run in selective startup.
    Basically i can not explain for sure why it works this way now, all i know is it is normal for it to since Windows 8.
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  3.    30 Oct 2015 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by jds63 View Post
    Did you read any of links i posted to you on this ? In fact from what i read this started with the last update in Windows 7, why does not seem right to you as this was last OS you have been using. Selective Startup is usually set when some processes in services and Startup are disabled or set to manual settings. Which might be the case with Windows 8 on. I believe if you try to let it stay in Normal startup you will then be starting processes that do not need to start along with startups you may want to be disabled as this is how it worked with older OS. As to when you disabled a process then Windows would run in selective startup.
    Basically i can not explain for sure why it works this way now, all i know is it is normal for it to since Windows 8.
    What you've posted doesn't make sense. I just checked my Win 7 x64 and it's in normal start mode. It always stays in normal start mode unless I change it. For Win 10 on this upgrade install, it stays is selective start up even after I change it to normal start up. On a normal start up, everything that's loaded to start should start. Some items will be on delayed start. But, everything will start on the normal start up. That is how it should be.

    I'll will reaffirm my belief that if Win 10 won't stay in normal start up then something is wrong.

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  4.    30 Oct 2015 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjg79 View Post
    What you've posted doesn't make sense. I just checked my Win 7 x64 and it's in normal start mode. It always stays in normal start mode unless I change it. For Win 10 on this upgrade install, it stays is selective start up even after I change it to normal start up. On a normal start up, everything that's loaded to start should start. Some items will be on delayed start. But, everything will start on the normal start up. That is how it should be.

    I'll will reaffirm my belief that if Win 10 won't stay in normal start up then something is wrong.

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    How about all processes in service.msc ? They all started automatically or on delayed start ?? Not going to stay that way from what is read about this. If not something you like or feel is wrong the you can always stay with Windows 7, you have a choice. Have you done any research on this matter to say that this is something that is terribly wrong with new OS or is it just an opinion of yours saying this ? Post started out with help on clean install, i understand your thoughts on it, but i can only speculate on why from knowledge of way msconfig works and worked in past OS's.
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  5.    31 Oct 2015 #15
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    Even if you uncheck and disable some services using msconfig, Windows should start at normal startup with those changes in effect. Selective startup should start only when chosen, so yes, this is not right. Check for any tweak utility you may have that affects how Windows start. Or scan for malware using Malwarebytes Antimalware and Spybot.
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  6.    31 Oct 2015 #16
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    I think that the fact that the system won't stay in normal start in the msconfig dialogue box is an indication of something corrupted. This was an upgrade install on top of Win 7. I suspect that the problem will be resolved with a clean install onto a disk that has been fully erased. Unless this is a hardware compatibility issue somewhere on this system.
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  7.    31 Oct 2015 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjg79 View Post
    I think that the fact that the system won't stay in normal start in the msconfig dialogue box is an indication of something corrupted. This was an upgrade install on top of Win 7. I suspect that the problem will be resolved with a clean install onto a disk that has been fully erased. Unless this is a hardware compatibility issue somewhere on this system.
    Like that for me and many here. I have had no issues since the upgrade on July 29th and then a clean install right after up to now with selective startup. I am not arguing as i understand how you see it and it not making sense from past OS's. From what i have noticed since Windows 8 it has been this way for me. Regularly understood this selective startup would happen when disabling something that is not regularly disabled in past. So i understand the differences between the normal and selective startup, but can not explain why after Windows 7 it works this way now, but not a corruption either in your system or bug as far as i know in Windows 10. People have questioned this if you research it, but trying to revert it back to Normal only goes back to selective startup again. As said not causing me any issues, either many others just people did not like idea or understand why it is like this, so they became determined to set it back.
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  8.    31 Oct 2015 #18
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    It wouldn't hurt to check for malwares though... Just to make sure it is clean and not infected.
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  9.    31 Oct 2015 #19
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    If this is the normal way Win 10 configures itself, then that just reinforces my view that Win 10 still isn't ready for deployment. My upgrade install is buggy. I'm going to give this OS one last chance and do a proper clean install on fully erased disks. If that doesn't resolve all the buggy issues, then I'm back to Win 7 until they get Win 10 fixed. I think they would have been better off if they just upgraded Win 7 with some of the new Win 10 features. Win 7 is so much easier to work with when it comes to doing the normal maintenance and troubleshooting tasks that are necessary with a Windows PC. Win 10 has too much white space and not enough information on the various pages, dialogue boxes, pop-ups etc... The Windows Update information in Win 7 is superior to Win 10 in every way. The same applies to the Win 7 Start menu. With Administrative Tools, Control Panel, Computer, and Run added to Start in menu format, everything can be found easily. Win 10 may be an improvement over Win 8, but I don't think either Win 8 or Win 10 are improvements over Win 7.

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  10.    31 Oct 2015 #20
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    History repeats itself... I recall complaining about Windows XP because it was different from Windows 95 and 98 that we were familiar with and because we had to adapt to the new interface. Some years later we complained about Vista and 7 because it was different from XP. Then about 8 and now about 10 because they are different from 7... It is a matter of time until all Windows 10 issues are fixed and we get familiar with them, only to complain about Windows 11 because they are different and not familiar as 10! Don't forget all of these versions are upgrades of Windows NT 4.0 (Windows 10 is Windows NT 6.4)

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