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  1.    12 Oct 2015 #31
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    I wouldn't think that was the problem either, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. It's easy, this will show you how to do it.
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post243802
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  2.    12 Oct 2015 #32
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    • it definitely is not anything to do with those settings. in my mind it still is 10 itself that has become a issue because of all of what i have described etc. but if anything i suppose it could very well be the power supply itself. Im wondering if even though the new replacement power supply works that its not doing what the mb is telling it to do via windows as in not shutting down properly. which if that is the case then antec again will have to send me another replacement
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  3.    12 Oct 2015 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    I wouldn't think that was the problem either, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. It's easy, this will show you how to do it.
    https://www.tenforums.com/general-dis...tml#post243802
    again i highly doubt that those settings had anything to do with this as I already had those things set up properly.
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  4.    12 Oct 2015 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Siegel View Post
    • it definitely is not anything to do with those settings. in my mind it still is 10 itself that has become a issue because of all of what i have described etc. but if anything i suppose it could very well be the power supply itself. Im wondering if even though the new replacement power supply works that its not doing what the mb is telling it to do via windows as in not shutting down properly. which if that is the case then antec again will have to send me another replacement
    Hi there. So to get this straight in my mind > Did you have this problem before you changed out the PSU or immediately after you changed it out?
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  5.    12 Oct 2015 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Hi there. So to get this straight in my mind > Did you have this problem before you changed out the PSU or immediately after you changed it out?
    the problem of not shutting down properly and having to do a hard shutdown and then in turn having my windows startup file get corrupted seemed to of happened after changing out the psu.
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  6.    12 Oct 2015 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Siegel View Post
    the problem of not shutting down properly and having to do a hard shutdown and then in turn having my windows startup file get corrupted seemed to of happened after changing out the psu.
    Thanks. I had a PSU go out last winter. Did the old PSU go out with a puff of smoke, an electrical smell, or just plain quit? Do you think there was any power surge? Do you use a protected surge strip?
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  7.    12 Oct 2015 #37
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    Well, when a computer cannot complete a shutdown it even tries to terminate an application which hanged and not responding, or some drivers do not work properly. So if you ever want to try again, I would advise updating all the drivers in Windows 7 before the upgrading to Windows 10. Then update again if any hardware has separate drivers for Windows 10 (usually chipset and graphics card). I recommend getting latest drivers directly from Intel, Realtek etc and avoid outdated versions in Asus's website. After all drivers are properly installed starting from the chipset and graphics, then the rest, you should have no problems with shutdown. Restart and shutdown your computer several times to make sure everything is OK before taking the time to install applications. If there is no Windows 10 driver for a specific hardware, try the Windows 8 driver. If there is no Windows 8 driver, try Windows 7 or even Vista for very old hardware. In some rare cases even a Windows XP driver would work (for 32-bit Windows 10 only), but this is better avoided. Thanks to the backwards compatibility even some strange Dell models some other poster mentioned should work with at least Vista drivers or XP drivers for 32-bit Windows 10.

    Now to break the myth of minimum requirements:

    Minimum requirements for acceptable performance:
    1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM NX/PAE support at motherboard and DirectX 9 compatible graphics card with at least Vista drivers (WDDM). This in practice means at least Intel Celeron 1.xGhz socket 775 or newer with 1GB DDR RAM or newer and at least nVidia Geforce FX 5200 or same era ATI model or at least Intel 945G.

    Real minimum requirements with patched kernel to bypass NX/PAE compliance checks (32-bit version only) :
    500MHz or newer CPU, 512MB RAM (clean installation) or 1GB RAM (for upgrade), any VGA card. This means that after patching some certain system files to bypass NX/PAE compliance check you can install Windows 8 or 10 32-bit to any computer at least Pentium III but of course it will be too slow to be useful. I have done it with Windows 8 only for proof of concept.

    So if you have at least an Intel chipset 945G or same era AMD motherboard, your system IS compatible with Windows 10. At least the 32-bit version. Of course it will not be magically faster than Windows XP, it might be a little slower, but it can be done and certainly it's worth the effort as you breath new life to your old system. The only real requirement is Vista drivers or newer (WDDM) for the graphics card, otherwise you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter which has no hardware acceleration and makes using the interface very slow.

    My advice is: If your system meets minimum requirements (1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM) but there are no WDDM drivers for your graphics card, then keep using Windows XP or upgrade to Windows 7 Maximum. Windows 7 allow installing Windows XP graphics drivers (XPDM) so you at least have some 3D acceleration. If there are WDDM drivers (at least Vista) for your graphics card and also your motherboard supports NX/PAE, then you can install Windows 8 or 10. They will have similar performance to Windows 7. Been there, done that.
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  8.    12 Oct 2015 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Thanks. I had a PSU go out last winter. Did the old PSU go out with a puff of smoke, an electrical smell, or just plain quit? Do you think there was any power surge? Do you use a protected surge strip?
    well the first time; i heard a pop sound and the system shut off and yes i did smell a slight burning or electrical smell. But odd thing is my system still powered up and was fine for quite some time after that. Then one evening the same thing happened again only this time the psu went totally dead as in all i heard was a faint whining like sound but there was no power going to the system and the only thing i saw was the power and reset lights on the motherboard were on but the system would not power up so i knew at that point the psu was toast. so i called antec at that point and they replaced the psu under warranty. but i don't believe the psu could be the bugger at the heart of these issues unless even though the new psu powers the system on completely that it also could still be partially bad out of the box.no power surge and yes i have always used a high end surge strip.
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  9.    12 Oct 2015 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by spapakons View Post
    Well, when a computer cannot complete a shutdown it even tries to terminate an application which hanged and not responding, or some drivers do not work properly. So if you ever want to try again, I would advise updating all the drivers in Windows 7 before the upgrading to Windows 10. Then update again if any hardware has separate drivers for Windows 10 (usually chipset and graphics card). I recommend getting latest drivers directly from Intel, Realtek etc and avoid outdated versions in Asus's website. After all drivers are properly installed starting from the chipset and graphics, then the rest, you should have no problems with shutdown. Restart and shutdown your computer several times to make sure everything is OK before taking the time to install applications. If there is no Windows 10 driver for a specific hardware, try the Windows 8 driver. If there is no Windows 8 driver, try Windows 7 or even Vista for very old hardware. In some rare cases even a Windows XP driver would work (for 32-bit Windows 10 only), but this is better avoided. Thanks to the backwards compatibility even some strange Dell models some other poster mentioned should work with at least Vista drivers or XP drivers for 32-bit Windows 10.

    Now to break the myth of minimum requirements:

    Minimum requirements for acceptable performance:
    1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM NX/PAE support at motherboard and DirectX 9 compatible graphics card with at least Vista drivers (WDDM). This in practice means at least Intel Celeron 1.xGhz socket 775 or newer with 1GB DDR RAM or newer and at least nVidia Geforce FX 5200 or same era ATI model or at least Intel 945G.

    Real minimum requirements with patched kernel to bypass NX/PAE compliance checks (32-bit version only) :
    500MHz or newer CPU, 512MB RAM (clean installation) or 1GB RAM (for upgrade), any VGA card. This means that after patching some certain system files to bypass NX/PAE compliance check you can install Windows 8 or 10 32-bit to any computer at least Pentium III but of course it will be too slow to be useful. I have done it with Windows 8 only for proof of concept.

    So if you have at least an Intel chipset 945G or same era AMD motherboard, your system IS compatible with Windows 10. At least the 32-bit version. Of course it will not be magically faster than Windows XP, it might be a little slower, but it can be done and certainly it's worth the effort as you breath new life to your old system. The only real requirement is Vista drivers or newer (WDDM) for the graphics card, otherwise you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter which has no hardware acceleration and makes using the interface very slow.

    My advice is: If your system meets minimum requirements (1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM) but there are no WDDM drivers for your graphics card, then keep using Windows XP or upgrade to Windows 7 Maximum. Windows 7 allow installing Windows XP graphics drivers (XPDM) so you at least have some 3D acceleration. If there are WDDM drivers (at least Vista) for your graphics card and also your motherboard supports NX/PAE, then you can install Windows 8 or 10. They will have similar performance to Windows 7. Been there, done that.
    news flash! this is way old news! I've known about all of the above for far too long. been there done this! i am still very very reluctant at this point to go back to 10 at all because of the glitches etc that still exist in 10 and no one can tell me that there arent still glitches in 10 because it is still new to the tech world as it stands. and due to that there can still be issues. especially because they are still issuing insider previews.
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  10.    13 Oct 2015 #40
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    I have been saying all along, HW problems are 90% of time cause of SW problems and more so for OS.
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