Hoping to upgrade older system

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  1. Posts : 446
    Win 10 PRO 64 Bit
       #1

    Hoping to upgrade older system


    I was intending to upgrade everything at once to get myself a new system, but now I'm thinking maybe I could do it in "bytes".
    My current system a very old Gigabyte EP45-UD3R motherboard with a Core 2 Dou Wolfdale E8400 3Ghz processor using DDR2 memory, and a 250Gb SSD. I wanted to temporarily wait on the Ram until I'm up and running, but I imagine the newer motherboard would not be backward compatible with the older RAM? (Yes I understand that this is almost a new system save for the old case power supply and video card). Just was hoping to do it instages.

    I'm wondering how windows activation will react to a new mother board, processor and ram?
    My current system does not have the TPI module nor the UEFI so I don't know what to expect on bootup.
    I was hoping that after this upgrade I would be offered the free copy of Windows 11.

    Lastly I have the issue of the failing to install security update KB5034441. I don't think that would resolve itself with an update to Windows 11. If not is there a way to install the new Windows 11 if offered to a second SSD or an internal M type card?

    Currently running Windows 10, 22H2 OS Build 19045.4239

    Lot of question here!
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  2. Posts : 8,111
    windows 10
       #2

    The ram is old its dd5 now being major change there is a good chance it wont activate I have upgraded to Best Mini PC | Mini Desktop PC of 2024

    they are a lot cheaper than a pc and go like a rocket with 32 gig ram and win 11 compare the price against the upgrade your thinking of and if it doesnt activate buying a new win11 license I got the amd ryzan 7 with 16 cores and it supports 3 monitors
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  3. Posts : 42,999
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #3

    I'm wondering how windows activation will react to a new mother board, processor and ram?
    If your digital right to a license was acquired by upgrading to Win 10 from Win 8.1 or Win 7, then most probably you would need a new license.

    Otherwise, it's easier to activate Windows afterwards if your activation is linked to a MS account.
    See the relevant tutorials from the searchable Tutorials section.

    I was hoping that after this upgrade I would be offered the free copy of Windows 11.
    Only if you meet the relevant criteria (check) and you have a validly activated Win 10.

    Note that a new MOBO may only support UEFI. If your current installation is not UEFI, then you have a more difficult upgrade route.

    Note too that Windows would have to make a significant adaptation in terms of new drivers - something it's normally good at doing.

    You might well prefer to do a clean install.

    If not is there a way to install the new Windows 11 if offered to a second SSD or an internal M type card?
    The upgrade would be of the existing O/S on whichever disk it was installed.
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  4. Posts : 31,675
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #4

    smalltown said:
    I'm wondering how windows activation will react to a new mother board, processor and ram?
    dalchina said:
    If your digital right to a license was acquired by upgrading to Win 10 from Win 8.1 or Win 7, then most probably you would need a new license.
    Otherwise, it's easier to activate Windows afterwards if your activation is linked to a MS account.
    My experience is that, as long as you have linked your digital licence to your MS account, then a digital licence for 10 obtained by upgrading from 7/8/8.1 makes no difference. I have reactivated Windows on new hardware using the Activation Troubleshooter, twice now since MS turned off the free activation for 7/8/8.1 keys/upgrades. Both cases were digital licences from a W7>W10 upgrade.

    smalltown said:
    Lastly I have the issue of the failing to install security update KB5034441....
    That can be fixed by increasing the size of the recovery partition, 1GB is more than enough for KB5034441 to install. I've got quite well practised at sorting this one out. My process:


    • turn off recovery with reagentc /disable
    • Use Disk Management to shrink C: enough to allow the recovery partition to be enlarged to at least 800MB.
    • Use Minitools Partition Wizard to enlarge the recovery partition.
    • restart the PC. This is essential so that the OS knows the new start point of the recovery partition.
    • turn on recovery with reagentc /enable
    • In Windows Update retry installing KB5034441


    I have seen reports that Partition Wizard 12 has a serious bug when resizing a recovery partition. I used an older version (9.1) successfully.
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  5. Posts : 6,343
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #5

    - CPU, MB and memory must be a matched trio. You need to buy new of them. Maybe it also requires a new PSU
    - You could use the current SSD with Windows but there are things you have to adapt. New computers use UEFI and yours is Legacy but that is quite easy to convert.
    - New system use M.2 NVMe SSD but you can use the converted current SSD and then clone it to a M.2 NVMe SSD.

    Personally I would leave the current computer as it is and buy everything new but monitor.
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  6. Posts : 315
    Windows 10
       #6

    smalltown said:
    I was intending to upgrade everything at once to get myself a new system, but now I'm thinking maybe I could do it in "bytes".

    Lot of question here!
    Okay here is the deal.

    There is a guide somewhere on here on how to install Windows 10 on a non UEIF GPT TPM setup and install/update to Windows 11. I forget if it was from upgrading or via using a Virtual Machine to the actual hardware. However I will be honest I am not a "go Microsoft fan" and I just upgrade and install from various sources ( other sources asides Mircosoft ). So in my eyes that is doable, outside of pulling tricks like the sentence I mentioned before.

    The only issue might be the lack of support for drivers. But so far if able to install drivers for Windows 10 ( with driver signing disabled or not ) then you should be able to install for Windows 11 ( Because the reality there is very little difference ). Which is how I got this "HP all in one" meant for Windows 7 to install via Windows 10 ( Windows search for drivers ) and then use the driver location to install the drivers on Windows 11 ( with the Windows 10 drive being used like searching an Windows.old folder ), because searching online there was no drivers for Windows 11.

    About upgrading hardware. As somebody else mentioned ( a couple of threads ) if not, you have a Microsoft account, and you should be able to register the new hardware and de-register the old hardware. Again I do not really care because I just "have a Microsoft account" in the past which I have not logged into, and even without one, your machine ( install ) automatically has a account even if a name is not tied to it. I am using Virtual-Machines to for-fill this purpose. You have virtual-machines you could rent online and requires no additional processing power.

    Boards have RAM and CPU specifics they are locked into. My previous board ( which had a dedicated normal IDE slot ) was a Pentium Two ( or something I forget ) and used whatever RAM. Point being it died, and I had to replace it.

    The answer is No. Whatever machine your purchase next ( being for the better ) will not use the same RAM and possibly CPU. That is literally insane in a budgeted situation. Your basically buying a replacement, and for whatever purpose you want better results. The current Desktop I am using is way more power-ful then my Labtop in many ways but again the labtop is a small little thing in comparison to the possible server computer.

    I am not going to purchase a new computer that uses 90W ( with super heat ) out of the box. It is not 2006 with the Power-Macs, and DELL counter-parts. It is the year 20XX ( The year of "O-mega Man" ) where you have around 10W
    CPU and GPU with 10W when not in usage. It is mindless consumerism and is only for recreation ( not actual work/play )
    in that part.

    1. Whatever machine you purchase it is going to be

    A. Better then the previous even if it uses the same RAM, CPU slots, types

    B. Not be usable with your previous, because the RAM has a faster speed and CPU is like 100 times powerful then the previous CPU.

    ......................

    It is like with GPU cards. I purchased a $>200 card because I can not afford a Vega or whatever $9000 card that is currently trending. Yes I will look into but the main point it the card can run Direct X 12 and has all the features I need in comparison to my previous card which is like nothing in comparison to my current card I purchased.

    How much power do I need and why?

    You have cards ( alongside specific CPU, RAM types ) that is able to perform "Machine Learning" ( M.L. / A.I. ) moves rather then me using an online-services ( sharing of my information ) in order to use M.L. However it will cost me over $9000 in comparison to a card that could do what I need it to do for $100.

    .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................

    If the question was

    Can you install windows 11 on any older machine as with Windows 10? Yes you can but not using official means.
    Does not mean the machine will update in the normal fashion. After reading enough there are ways to do official installations of 11 on non-supported hardware.

    Will your license transfer over ?
    Maybe no and maybe yes. Honestly I am using my machine with the little warning in the corner. I can turn this off by shutting off the explorer unless it is triggered. Using alternative to bypass this problem. Beyond that everything is third-party programs and manipulating the registry ( if you know what you are doing ). It does not stop updating or ability to use the OS. Because if it did there would be fixes for that all over the place and activation that requires no servers. Great I missing out on all the wonderful features.
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  7. Posts : 14,022
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #7

    The oldest Desktop and Notebook I have 'officially' running Win11 are from 2019. I have 2 Notebooks from 2014 I've made the single-file tweak on the MCT USB and they work, I did the upgrade with Win10 running.
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  8. Posts : 75
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #8

    The Gigabyte EP45-UD3R came out 2007 or 2008.

    Uses DDR2 ram. Intel® Core 2™ multi-core processors with FSB 1600 MHz
    GA-EP45-UD3P (rev. 1.1) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
    Video unboxing
    Gigabyte GA-EP45 UD3R Unboxing and First Look - YouTube

    I bought a used HP z240 SFF desktop pc at Amazon for $135 just 1 year ago that was made in July 2018.
    Now has a 1TB SSD drive and can have up to 64gb ram.
    It was a $3,200 pc when it first came out.....
    I would look there for deals.
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  9. Posts : 4,593
    several
       #9

    There is not much sense buying a system that doesnt officially support win11
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  10. Posts : 446
    Win 10 PRO 64 Bit
    Thread Starter
       #10

    Thanks to those that answered.
    I guess I didn't factor in changing from the older Bios to the UEFI.
    After reading and rethinking my original post if I did replace my MB, processor and ram I have done most of the heavy lifting toward a new system already and might as well do the whole shebang (had to look up the spelling on that one).

    One last unanswered question. My old system with the BIOS upon first boot there was the normal defaults settings that could be changed, but it would boot.

    What will I expect from the TPI and UEFI when a new system boots for the first time? Will I boot to some default state into Windows 11 or must I configure things before I can even boot? Is there a special password that is needed for the TPI by me etc.?
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