PC Freezing and rare BSOD after every component changed.

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  1. Posts : 425
    Windows 10
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    PC Freezing and rare BSOD after every component changed.


    Some weeks ago I posted about a PC that regularly freezes. It also gets a very rare BSOD.
    Never anything in the event log.

    I have replaced every single component. This is now an entirely new PC - no exceptions, not a single original part.
    Even the case, LAN cable and monitors have been changed.
    Windows has also been installed from scratch, 21H2 (19044.2728).
    Every drive in the computer was also "cleaned" in diskpart, and the 1 spinner was CHKDSK'd.
    Memtest has been run many times, as has the Windows memory diagnostic.

    I wish I could provide some diagnostic data, but there is nothing to provide. No dump files, no event log entries.

    The freeze occurs at random. The PC could be sitting idle and it will freeze, or it could be in the middle of gaming. For example, my son was using it early in the morning and fell asleep. It was idle and nothing running save Firefox. He woke up later and the PC said it was 4am. It was actually 6am, so it had frozen two hours earlier.

    The occasional BSOD states memory management error.

    This all started when my grandson spilled a bottle of energy drink over the case and shorted out the Phantom 820 case, the Z390 motherboard's audio and the power supply. But ALL of those parts are gone. I don't know if that was the cause but I don believe in coincidences so I'm blaming the initial problems on the powerade spill.

    All programs, launchers and games were installed from scratch. Nothing was backed up or restored. Completely pristine new install.

    The only thing I've done different now is left pagefile.sys on the C:\ drive and let the system manage the size. I used to move it off the SSD to the HDD.

    All drivers are the latest. The BIOS is the latest. Even the hardware is the latest.

    I am at my wits end and have no idea how to proceed.

    When you have a brand new PC and a brand new OS on freshly formatted new SSDs with all software installed from scratch and have the same problems where do you go from there?
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  2. Posts : 6,548
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
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    On BIOS, set everything to default, no overclock on CPU, GPU or Memory (EMP to disable)
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  3. Posts : 582
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    Holy cow is all I can offer. You have done everything possible to fix the pc and it still fails to operate properly. I am nowhere near your frustration level but I do appreciate what you are going thru. I have restored - failed, I have clean installed windows - failed. I have run mem tests, hd tests and all come up roses. But, still says - no drive installed.

    I guess I am now faced with opening it up and seeing if there is a loose cable. If not, maybe I'll purchase an M2 and install --

    Hang in there. Wish I could offer more - good luck.
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  4. Posts : 6,548
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
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    patriceltic said:
    I have restored - failed, I have clean installed windows - failed. I have run mem tests, hd tests and all come up roses. But, still says - no drive installed.
    What doesn't see the the drive (no drive installed)? Under BIOS or when you try to boot?

    If you install Win 10 as Legacy-MBR and try to boot as UEFI-GPT it wont find a drive. Same if you install Win 10 as UEFI-GPT and try to boot as Legacy-MBR.
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  5. Posts : 425
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
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    Megahertz said:
    On BIOS, set everything to default, no overclock on CPU, GPU or Memory (XMP to disable)
    The only thing I changed was fan curves, oh and of course, selected my boot drive. I don't over clock any more, not with CPUs with P-cores and E-Cores. But I will reset and try as you have suggested.

    I have a total of 12 PCs built with this exact same image/ISO. None of them are having any issues whatsoever. So there must be something unique about this one, but I'm darned if I can figure out what.

    I checked the MSI website. Both memory kits I've tested with are on their QVL so I don't think it's a memory compatibility issue either.
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  6. Posts : 582
    win10
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    Megahertz- I am not really sure how to answer. I believe it is uefi install -- it seems fine but when it has been running for a day or two, and then when it is idle - I return to get online and support assist shows "no drive installed" so will not boot --
    I did a "reset" today. Pain in the neck but as of tonight, after running for about 3 hours and REINSTALLING a few things, so far so good.
    if you install Win 10 as UEFI-GPT and try to boot as Legacy-MBR. I don't think I did this - I just said install windows and it took off. Sorry for the dunce. Thanks very much...
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  7. Posts : 6,548
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #7

    Windows can be installed in two ways: Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT

    Lets see what go have.
    Open Disk Manager (C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc) on top menu - View - Top - Disk List
    What do you have under Partition style?
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  8. Posts : 425
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #8

    ah, thanks for hijacking my thread.
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  9. Posts : 6,548
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
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    Wobitancrawfodi said:
    ah, thanks for hijacking my thread.
    Did you install as Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT?
    Did you set XMP to disable?
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  10. Posts : 425
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
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    Megahertz said:
    Did you install as Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT?
    Sorry, You are getting @patriceltic post mixed up with mine.

    Anyway, yes, I did reset the BIOS and left XMP off, and it froze 5 minutes later.

    One thing I have discovered over the years is that "latest is rarely the best". If I had a dollar for every time "make sure your xyz is up to date" and that wasn't the solution I'd be much better off financially :)

    So many times I've had to install older drivers, or uninstall the latest windows update, or down grade a version of some program, or the most common - go back to an older BIOS to get something to work - particularly with ASRock BIOSes

    Yesterday I replaced his mouse, which was brand new. It requires Razer v3 to operate it.
    I replaced it with an older death adder elite which works with Razer v2.
    It's only been 24 hours but so far so good.

    Of course, he's had periods where he's gone 3-4 days without a crash, so I expect I'll get an SMS in the next couple of days, but I have my fingers crossed.

    --UPDATE--
    Nope, still freezing. Froze twice this afternoon within 10 minutes.
    Last edited by Wobitancrawfodi; 23 May 2023 at 23:46.
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