8.1 EOL to 10. Veteran asking for help.


  1. Posts : 7
    8.1
       #1

    8.1 EOL to 10. Veteran asking for help.


    Been away a long time, just re-joined, so it's good to be back.

    Need guidance and support from the community.

    This desktop:

    https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04343438

    Currently on 8.1 pro EOL. Need to migrate to 10. (11 doesn't support the processor).

    Asking for guidance on best practice to do this?

    Haven't migrated to a new OS on any machines for many years, so honesty, I'm rusty - & don't know where to start.

    The desktop is a Haswell chipset, so win 11 is off the cards.

    The machine is my retired parents home-machine, and for them, manual security updates in 11 would be tedious.

    Will be adding an MX500 SSD boot drive to the machine. 1tb enough?

    Before I do anything - I will clone the 2TB platter drive to an identical second I have, just in case things go wrong.

    Mum tutors students using this desktop over the internet, using zoom, teams and such.

    There are many user files all over the PC, and I'm unsure how to extract everything to preserve them easily.

    My thanks to anyone willing to contribute and help.

    It's good to be back.

    KD
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  2. Posts : 18,503
    Windows 11 Pro
       #2

    Download Windows 10 from here:
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

    I would download the Media Creation Tool, "Create Windows 10 installation media". You will need an 8GB or larger USB flash drive. You can do this on your own computer, if you wish. Just let the tool create the USB flash.

    Then plug the flash drive into parents' computer and run setup.exe from the flash drive to upgrade Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.

    If you use Macrium Reflect Free to create an image of their existing drive onto the spare drive, you can also use Macrium Reflect Free to mount the image file and copy user files out of the saved image, if needed.

    Download Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - MajorGeeks
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  3. Posts : 46,138
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #3

    Worth some preparatory checks etc:
    a. Uninstall completely any 3rd party security software.
    b. Check at least 30Gb free on C:
    c. Check the disk (s) - e,g, Hard Disk Sentinel (full functional trial), portable version available.
    d. Run
    chdsk c: /scan
    from an admin command prompt to check file system
    e. Likewise run
    SFC /SCANNOW
    and check it passes.

    Upgrading is great when it goes smoothly.
    If not, that's a problem.

    From the huge searchable Tutorials section (do feel free to have a look):
    Upgrade to Windows 10
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  4. Posts : 17,103
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.5371
       #4

    KingDing,

    I agree with both the others.

    dalchina's link is to the upgrading tutorial and you can just go straight to it because it includes cross-references to the one that NavyLCdr posted.
    How to Upgrade to Windows 10 - TenForumsTutorials {same as dalchina's link}

    About your specific points:

    1 Many people are successfully running Windows 11 on computers that do not meet the Windows 11 specs. However, the fact that your parents would find manually updating Windows 11 once each year is a good reason to stick with Windows 10
    - - Windows 10 will remain in support until late 2025.
    - - Below-spec Windows 11 computers do get monthly updates automatically
    - - For below-spec Windows 11 computers it's just their annual 'Version' updates that would have to be done using a procedure that is very similar to the procedure you'll use for the upgrade form Windows 8.1.

    2 Replacing the HDD with an SSD will speed things up in all respects.
    - - Whether or not they will benefit from the increased speed depends on what they do with the computer.
    - - Since you seem to be in the UK, do note that all Samsung-Seagate disk [HDD, SSD, USB, SD card] warranty repairs & replacements now carry a compulsory & non-refundable postage charge to the Netherlands. In my case, it cost me £9 to post a USB there. I complained to their CEO's office and got my money back that way [possibly because my complaint did not include the adjectives that would have been justified in the circumstances].
    - - Nobody can tell you how big a disk to buy. Anything that is close to or bigger than 100GB would be fine for Windows but if they install games or save a lot of audio or video files that can push up their storage needs.
    - - - The fact that your Mum is a tutor makes me think that she might have large & unpredictable storage needs so you might usefully consider replacing the boot drive with an SSD & then reformatting the existing HDD as a second disk just for her files [this is a fairly common arrangement and can be discussed at the same time as discussing the fact that they are scattered all over].
    - - - Since you are making a full backup of the existing HDD, you do have time on your side for deciding what to do with that HDD. Just update us with your thoughts on the subject and people will be only too delighted to discuss your options. The discussion will inevitably include backup planning.


    All the best,
    Denis



    Welcome back to TenForums.

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  5. Posts : 18,503
    Windows 11 Pro
       #5

    One good news: If you upgrade the existing HDD to Windows 10 it will get a digital license for Windows 10 stored on Microsoft Activation Servers. If you want to move to an SSD, and do a clean install of Windows 10 on the new SSD, you do not need any product key. Windows 10 will automatically activate either for the Windows 8 product key stored in the computer's BIOS, or from the digital license for Windows 10 stored at Microsoft during the upgrade process.
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  6. Posts : 7,336
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #6

    If the HDD is healthy, you don't need a big SSD as you can use the SSD for Windows and programs and the HDD for data.
    The HDD is 2 T. How much of it is occupied? If it has less than the SSD capacity you can clone the HDD into the MX SSD and then upgrade the SSD to Win 10. Once Win 10 is running on the SSD you can clean (not only format) the HDD and use it as a data drive for backups.
    Last edited by Megahertz; 23 Jan 2023 at 09:38.
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