Worth moving to Win 10?

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  1. Posts : 41
    Win 10 Pro
       #1

    Worth moving to Win 10?


    Not sure if this should go in general, but posting here.

    I'm still on Win 7 and am loathe to move to win10, but am experiencing driver and some app issues that are no longer supported. I'm also pondering moving to Linux, but would have to create a dual boot to accommodate some programs.

    My problem with win 10 (aside from some needed app compatibility) is the privacy issues.

    Have privacy conscious users developed ways to circumvent the privacy issues in win 10? Any other considerations I should be pondering?

    From the little I've read about win 11, I think I'll pass.

    Yes, this is pretty broad, but I'm at the beginning of the process...getting proper info, so I'm not sure exactly what questions I should be asking.

    Thanks for any help.
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  2. Posts : 9,790
    Mac OS Catalina
       #2

    What privacy issues? If you are afraid of your privacy, then you do not need to be on the Internet, in a public setting, shop in person, use any type of communications. Staying on Windows 7 places you at more risk than moving to a more modern up to date OS. As for Linux, are you willing to learn about a OS that has a steep learning curve?
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  3. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
       #3

    Several "just in case" options

    - image(s) (Macrium Reflect and/or AOMEI Backupper - both free) of the existing installation of Win 7 and do an in-place upgrade. Don't like it? - you've got 30 days top roll back. If the rollback fails fails, you've got an image to restore

    - image(s) (Macrium Reflect and/or AOMEI Backupper - both free) of the existing installation of Win 7. Swap out the drive witha new balnk (ideal opportunity to upgrade to an SSD if not already the standard) and restore the image. Do an in-place upgrade. Don't like it? - swap back to your original system.

    PREFERRED OPTION ....
    - Swap out the drive with a new blank (ideal opportunity to upgrade to an SSD if not already the standard). Clean install Win 10/11 using the Win 7 key to activate.

    [.....] One of the above
    [.....] Experiment ... all of the above

    BUT REMEMBER, no matter what, create an image of the existing system. I usually put my paranoia tin foil hat on and do images with both Macrium and AOMEI ... double insurance. And to add to the paranoia, I sometimes also do a back in native format of all the user files (Syncbackfree)

    EDIT : Privacy issues ... best solution, don't use a computer. Or at least, don't connect to the internet. Seriously, there are ways you can limit/minimise (but never eliminate) all privacy issues - it's the price a user has to pay for computer usage and internet access. And often overblown by the tabloid media (soft targets make a good story).
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  4. Posts : 2,191
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #4

    msalton1 said:
    Not sure if this should go in general, but posting here.

    I'm still on Win 7 and am loathe to move to win10, but am experiencing driver and some app issues that are no longer supported. I'm also pondering moving to Linux, but would have to create a dual boot to accommodate some programs.

    My problem with win 10 (aside from some needed app compatibility) is the privacy issues.

    Have privacy conscious users developed ways to circumvent the privacy issues in win 10? Any other considerations I should be pondering?

    From the little I've read about win 11, I think I'll pass.

    Yes, this is pretty broad, but I'm at the beginning of the process...getting proper info, so I'm not sure exactly what questions I should be asking.

    Thanks for any help.
    The only way to keep yourself private is to stop using the Internet, get rid of your phone, and pay cash for everything. Otherwise join the real world and enjoy it.

    People have complained about privacy with Windows since Windows XP. People still complain about that with Windows 10 and 11. If you want Windows 10 you can upgrade to it for free if you have you are using an activated copy of Windows 7.

    If you decide to upgrade to Windows 10 make sure you back up your computer first. That way if there is a problem you can restore your computer. Also, you can do the same if you change your mind and want to go back to Windows 7.

    If you know how and have enough free space you can resize your drive and use the free space to make a temporary install for Windows 10. When done you will have a dual-boot of Windows 7 and 10. You can try out Windows 10 to see if you like it. When done trying it you can delete the partition and reclaim the space. Then you make a more informed decision of whether you want to upgrade to Windows 10.

    I ran a dual-boot of Windows and Linux from about 1997 to about 2010. It is enough to keep up with Windows so I eventually removed Linux because I didn't have the time to keep up with changes with it.
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  5. Posts : 41
    Win 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Hello and thanks for your comments. I suppose I should have been clearer. I understand that nowadays, privacy violation is a fact of life.

    So, to re-phrase the question:

    What can I do to limit/reduce the private data exodus in windows 10?

    Any apps that do the job (I see that Shut Up no longer works)? Any workarounds? I can run through the settings and do what I can, but any good primers on settings that might not be obvious?

    Anything I can do to help batten down the hatches. I may just end up dual booting between win 7 and Linux for this machine.

    @idgat - good suggestions re: imaging programs. I've been using them since the early 2000's, starting with Norton Ghost, moved on to Acronis and now am using the paid version of Macrium, which I consider to be the best of the bunch. I schedule 3 system & data drive images per week and run a manual image whenever I make changes to the system drive.

    Again, thanks for y'all's comments.
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  6. Posts : 9,790
    Mac OS Catalina
       #6

    Stop using the Internet and any device basically. Microsoft could care less about what you are doing and what you have on your machine. The only data they are gathering is the OS, hardware, any third party software conflicts. That is all they want to know. Third party developers can gather more info if they wish by using the Chocolate Bar affect in gathering your private info and there is only you to stop it.
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  7. Posts : 63
    10 Pro
       #7

    What steep learning curve? Linox (most versions anyway) are no harder than windows. The folder structure is different, and partition are named differently. But other than that it is just like windows. So don't try to keep spreading that old tired lie. Before you talk about it, try it.
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  8. Posts : 5,899
    Win 11 Pro (x64) 22H2
       #8

    msalton1 said:
    Have privacy conscious users developed ways to circumvent the privacy issues in win 10? Any other considerations I should be pondering?

    From the little I've read about win 11, I think I'll pass.

    Yes, this is pretty broad, but I'm at the beginning of the process...getting proper info, so I'm not sure exactly what questions I should be asking.

    Thanks for any help.
    If you mean for the "Microsoft is spying on me" group. No, things have not gotten better and never will as long as the OS connects to the internet. Outside of that, with an educated and open mind, you'll find Windows 10 (or Windows 11) is no worse than the unsupported OS you're currently running in Windows 7.

    Anyway, I'm running both Windows 10 (laptop) and Windows 11 (desktop) and they've never caused me to miss Windows 7. In fact, I dumped 7 when 8 came out. And if it wasn't for the fact my laptop was unsupported by Windows 11, that'd be the OS on it.

    I also don't stress over the perceived "Microsoft is spying on me" bit. Probably because I understand connecting to the net exposes me to far more nefarious actions than Windows. That if I wanted total privacy in the digital age, I'd have to disconnect from the world. That's me.

    With that, if you are considering the move to Windows 10, check both your hardware and software are supported. Also are you willing to pay new software should what you have be incompatible or not working? What of hardware drivers? Are they any "Windows 10" drivers? Just something else to consider before moving to a new OS.

    My two cents.
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  9. Posts : 41
    Win 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #9

    The only solution I seem to be getting here is "don't worry about it" and" MS doesn't care about your personal data", but I think we all know that's not true. We all know that cell phones, windows, mac. Big Tech, SM, internet advertisers...they're all collecting our data. Do we really believe that it's for our benefit, or that they aren't benefiting from our data? Of course they are.

    I think we've come to a point where too many have just given into the party line of these profiteers.

    Am I to understand that unless one goes completely off the grid, there's no recourse other than to let our defenses down and let them have at it? No. There are solutions out there to be found.

    I'm not trying to be rude, guys. I think y'all's help in these forums is invaluable, but I'd like to point out that I haven't yet received one answer to my question. Not one (unless I missed it?). The consensus seems to be that if I'm concerned about data collection, I should just stay off of the internet or just 'let it be'. I've been into computing since '93 and know that there are answers, even if it means just moving over to Linux.

    The only helpful comment here was RobbyK's accurate comment regarding Linux.

    Again, I'm not trying to be rude, and I'm very appreciative of the help y'all provide here, but 'staying off the internet' as the only viable answer isn't helpful at all, nor accurate. That being the case, I'm off to find some actual help.

    I won't be marking this thread as solved.

    I wish y'all well.
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  10. Posts : 2,144
    Windows 11 Pro (latest update ... forever anal)
       #10

    Get a tin-foil hat, then.

    Sorry, I was going to try to be helpful but with these misguided beliefs ... I'm done here.
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