Worth moving to Win 10?

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  1. Posts : 6,855
    22H2 64 Bit Pro
       #31

    Hexados said:

    Anyways, going back to Windows 10, anything that may even remotely hint data sharing, location sharing during the installation (usually after the Windows 10 upgrade/installation is complete), disable them all (and yes you are given that choice).
    In addition when installing Windows 10 - do an offline install (no internet connected) and it will use a local account instead of a Microsoft account as a result.
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  2. Posts : 869
    Windows 10 Professional x64 21H2
       #32

    You are being watched. You are sending data to MS Like it or not. Your security is computerized daily. Welcome to the wonderful world of Microsoft Windows! We should all go back the Windows 98SE when the world was so much simpler and basic. I miss those days. Better yet... Go Back to when there was no internet... No one had a computer in their home... "I have visions of those days" We actually had physical interaction with one another... Tactile! Has anyone ever shaken the hand of anyone here??? We are living in a world where "Ready Player One" Is nearly becoming a reality. Try just getting up tomorrow morning... Make yourself a cup of coffee and go sit outside and just breathe the air... No Tech... Just you and your thoughts. I think you'll be surprised. Kind of being a hypocrite glued to my screen typing this but you get my point. Well, this is the end of my rant.
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  3. Posts : 1,746
    Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
       #33

    Lance1 said:
    You are being watched. You are sending data to MS Like it or not. Your security is computerized daily. Welcome to the wonderful world of Microsoft Windows! We should all go back the Windows 98SE when the world was so much simpler and basic. I miss those days. Better yet... Go Back to when there was no internet... No one had a computer in their home... "I have visions of those days" We actually had physical interaction with one another... Tactile! Has anyone ever shaken the hand of anyone here??? We are living in a world where "Ready Player One" Is nearly becoming a reality. Try just getting up tomorrow morning... Make yourself a cup of coffee and go sit outside and just breathe the air... No Tech... Just you and your thoughts. I think you'll be surprised. Kind of being a hypocrite glued to my screen typing this but you get my point. Well, this is the end of my rant.
    my gramma (now passed away) told me once that in their time there was no TV, and their TV was actually watching fire and sparks in the oven.

    How basic ha?
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  4. Posts : 869
    Windows 10 Professional x64 21H2
       #34

    zebal said:
    my gramma (now passed away) told me once that in their time there was no TV, and their TV was actually watching fire and sparks in the oven.

    How basic ha?
    I remember, and it's vivid, July 1969 in my grandmother's living room watching Neil Armstrong on a black-and-white TV set foot on the moon. The whole family was packed into the living room. I was on the floor with my sister watching Walter Cronkite announce the whole thing. Memories...
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  5. Posts : 32
    Windows 10 Pro. x64 22H2
       #35

    Well I've been solidly resistant to moving from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro but in November 2022 I bit the bullet and decided to give Win 10 Pro a try. I did read up first and made sure I was offline when I did the install. During the install I got lots of options to decline what looked like privacy intrusive stuff, so I declined all that.

    Once I got it installed I instantly hated Win 10 but Open Shell soon dealt a mortal blow to that hated. If it wasn't for Open Shell I would never have stuck with Win 7 let alone Win 10 — in my book a 'traditional' Start Menu is an utter must have. In any case it took me two days solid to get Win 10 to how I wanted it to be and I found 'O&O Shutup' and 'Winaero Tweaker' to be immensely helpful in doing that along with frequent visits to this forum to get tips, tweaks and tricks. Now I'm happy with Win 10 and the way I have it configured, never thought I would ever say that, but, yes, I'm happy enough.

    So to answer the OP: Yes go for Win 10. It might take a couple of days of tinkering it to get a system you're comfortable with but, in my experience, it is possible to get that, it just takes some research and investment of time. If you do go for it then I would strongly recommend making an image file of your Win 7 system and in that way if you don't want to stick with Win 10 you can restore your Win 7 system in a few minutes.
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  6. Posts : 1,746
    Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
       #36

    LastUnicorn said:
    Well I've been solidly resistant to moving from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro but in November 2022 I bit the bullet and decided to give Win 10 Pro a try. I did read up first and made sure I was offline when I did the install. During the install I got lots of options to decline what looked like privacy intrusive stuff, so I declined all that.

    Once I got it installed I instantly hated Win 10 but Open Shell soon dealt a mortal blow to that hated. If it wasn't for Open Shell I would never have stuck with Win 7 let alone Win 10 — in my book a 'traditional' Start Menu is an utter must have. In any case it took me two days solid to get Win 10 to how I wanted it to be and I found 'O&O Shutup' and 'Winaero Tweaker' to be immensely helpful in doing that along with frequent visits to this forum to get tips, tweaks and tricks. Now I'm happy with Win 10 and the way I have it configured, never thought I would ever say that, but, yes, I'm happy enough.

    So to answer the OP: Yes go for Win 10. It might take a couple of days of tinkering it to get a system you're comfortable with but, in my experience, it is possible to get that, it just takes some research and investment of time. If you do go for it then I would strongly recommend making an image file of your Win 7 system and in that way if you don't want to stick with Win 10 you can restore your Win 7 system in a few minutes.
    You know, with enough effort you can customize your windows 10 almost any way you like.
    I've never tried myself since I'm not bothered so much with new features like apps and start menu, but if I wanted to do it my path would be Windows ADK with full customization of the OS trough reusable xml and scripts or something so that I could apply all I want in just a few minutes on fresh version of the OS.

    It's a learning curve to get to know ADK, but I'm sure the effort would be worth it more than aerotweaker or any kind of software or steps you can find online.

    I pathologically hate software with limitations.
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  7. Posts : 2,191
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #37

    With Windows 7 help usually directed to the Control Panel. It then gave you the steps on how to do something.

    With Windows 10 Settings was where Microsoft wanted you to go. The problem was it was not comprehensive so sometimes you had to bring up the legacy Control Panel to do what you wanted.

    With Windows 10 help usually directed you Start > Search where you searched for how to do something. The problem was that you first had to know what to search for. That had to be frustrating for the beginner.
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  8. Posts : 23
    Windows 10
       #38

    I read that Win 10 has better internals than previous systems.

    Also, you can make it look like Win 7 using Open Shell.
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  9. Posts : 41
    Win 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #39

    Update:

    Thanks for all the help, suggestions, etc.

    In the last week I installed win 10 Pro on 4 machines here, all clean installs. Thanks to those who suggested imaging...I've been doing so for years, and use a 'progressive install image' strategy (make an image of the HD before I do software installs or significant changes on a new install). I also schedule 3 times/weekly overnight imaging of my system and data drives & partitions in all mission critical machines. My preferred imaging program is Macrium (paid version), although I've also used Norton Ghost (old days) and Acronis.

    I used Win 7 pro and win 8 pro keys and all were accepted. Gotta love that. But here again, for any software I don't pay for, I assume that I am the product (as well as for software I do pay for).

    All has gone fairly smoothly and I actually like WIn 10 (a far cry from my opinion when I test drove it during its first year). There are some idiocies (not unexpected), but overall, I like it.

    Here is a list of what I've put in place in terms of limiting how much data collection occurs for the benefit of those who might be searching for ways to limit Win 10 data collection.

    I'd also appreciate any comments/suggestions on any additional steps not listed and that I may not be aware of.

    • All win 10 settings provided have been changed to limit data collection.
    • Shutup ran and configured. I'll monitor this intermittently after updates, given that updates may change some of my settings back.
    • Windows 10 Firewall Control (sphinx software) to monitor and limit outbound traffic (this is a firewall I've used for years). Latest versions have a setting to shut down updates and apps. I don't have the update restriction configured at present, because I do want win updates. Unfortunately, W10FC doesn't or isn't able to separate the apps from system/security updates. The workaround for that, should I choose to take it is to manually install updates.
    • A vpn, which I only disable when necessary
    • Edge removed as default browser, shutup used to turn off all Edge options, outbound firewall configured to restrict Edge to Lan Only.
    • Firefox as default browser with noscript and other privacy addons, all privacy settings configured.
    • I don't use the app store or app store apps.


    Overall, privacy concerns notwithstanding, I'm pretty impressed with Win 10. I'm also impressed with Windows Defender and the security options put in place, along with the interface.

    One other comment...although I've installed Classic Shell, I mainly use the Win 10 start menu. It's come a long way since the early days and I find it very efficient and easy to use. I miss the transparency of Win 7, and Classic Shell did make a noticile difference in the transparency of the TaskBar, but not the Start menu. A registry edit somewhat helped with that.

    There are some other issues, but I'll post those in other threads.

    Again, thanks for the comments.
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  10. Posts : 4,187
    Windows 11 Pro, 22H2
       #40

    Yeah, change can be difficult, but sometimes you just have to embrace the horror
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