Update from 19041.985 impossible, keeps rolling back

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  1. Posts : 31
    Win10x64
       #1

    Update from 19041.985 impossible, keeps rolling back


    Hi,

    I'm trying to help out my mom here with her little Acer Aspire. I usually don't have to make a lot of maintenance but lately she's been bugged by Windows categorically refusing to apply the update.

    Present version is 2004 (build 19041.985) and everything I've tried returns the same result: update impossible, roll back at reboot. So far, I have:

    • used the Windows Updates Trouble-shooter
    • reset Windows Update related services
    • run SFC
    • run DISM
    • deleted the Software Distribution Folder
    • downloaded and installed updates manually from Windows Update Catalog


    Short of a suggestion from you guys, my next move is to smash this computer to bits with a sledgehammer. Which isn't a viable option. So, any advice welcome.
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  2. Posts : 23,197
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #2

    Eamoex said:
    Hi,

    I'm trying to help out my mom here with her little Acer Aspire. I usually don't have to make a lot of maintenance but lately she's been bugged by Windows categorically refusing to apply the update.

    Present version is 2004 (build 19041.985) and everything I've tried returns the same result: update impossible, roll back at reboot. So far, I have:

    • used the Windows Updates Trouble-shooter
    • reset Windows Update related services
    • run SFC
    • run DISM
    • deleted the Software Distribution Folder
    • downloaded and installed updates manually from Windows Update Catalog


    Short of a suggestion from you guys, my next move is to smash this computer to bits with a sledgehammer. Which isn't a viable option. So, any advice welcome.



    Probably time to try an In-Place Upgrade. It repairs and updates Windows, but leaves your programs and files... intact.




    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade



    Here is the short version of the In-place upgrade tutorial...

    DISABLE non-Microsoft:
    a) antivirus software
    b) firewall software
    c) drive encryption software

    Make a full OS backup with a program like Macrium Reflect (free)
    Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free

    Go here and get the Media Creation Tool and save it to your desktop.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

    RUN the Media Creation Tool and use it to: Create an ISO image... save IT to your desktop.
    This will be the latest version of the ISO image.
    The ISO must be created in the same language as you are using in Windows, to be able to keep your Programs and Files.



    Right click the ISO image and choose: MOUNT
    Open File Explorer and you will see a new drive letter. It will "look" like a DVD optical drive.
    Double click the new drive letter to open it.
    Find setup.exe and double click it to start the in-place upgrade.

    Choose the Keep personal files and apps option.

    After it's all done... to UNmount the ISO image, right click the new drive letter and choose: EJECT.


    The ONLY thing you will lose is some of your personalizations. Your programs and data will be intact.
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  3. Posts : 31
    Win10x64
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Thanks for the information and how-to, Ghot. I'm not going to do this right now, but next time I'm at my Mom's. So it could be a little while. I'll make sure to report back and let everybody know how that goes. Cheers
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  4. Posts : 23,197
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #4

    Eamoex said:
    Thanks for the information and how-to, Ghot. I'm not going to do this right now, but next time I'm at my Mom's. So it could be a little while. I'll make sure to report back and let everybody know how that goes. Cheers


      My Computer


  5. Posts : 31
    Win10x64
    Thread Starter
       #5

    EDITED: Posted at the wrong place.
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  6. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    Hi, which Acer Aspire is it? There's a huge range... some go back many years.
    How old is it- which O/S did it come with- please post its driver update page from Acer's site.

    Diagnosing upgrade failure is time consuming and fraught with difficulty - unless you're very lucky.
    A couple of people here have done this a few times- some have taken pages of posts and numerous days, with repeated analysis of the multiple possible logs.

    You would need to start with
    - the exact message on the screen
    - what 3rd party security software is being used (can be a common problem).
    - basic checks:
    o disk space- min 30Gb free on C:
    o disks - Hard Disk Sentinel
    o chkdsk c: /scan - from an admin command prompt
    o similarly SFC /SCANNOW

    If those pass then get a copy of
    setupdiag.exe (free from MS) and run that- see if it tells you anything - it scans the log files.

    Then start looking at the log files (you can search to find the logs created by Windows update - also see the relevant Tutorial here.

    Etc...
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  7. Posts : 31
    Win10x64
    Thread Starter
       #7

    Hi, thanks for taking the time. Sorry, I didn't mean to uselessly bump this thread. I'm in a sort of mixup between this here and HP's forum for a question regarding my own laptop, unrelated.

    I'll cut to the chase: it's all sorted now, the Acer update.

    Thanks and have a nice day

    EDIT: to be more accurate, the Media Creation Tool and In-Place Upgrade did the trick. There's a happy Mom right there
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  8. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    Lucky this time- sometimes it's next to impossible.

    Now start teaching your mum about using disk imaging... routinely and regularly.. please..
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  9. Posts : 31
    Win10x64
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Okay but, how can imaging help the update process? I'm happy to have an image of my system when things go corrupt. I don't see what Windows being unable to update itself (how does Microsoft even manage to trip itself up, mystery) has to do with it. Seeing your expertise and mind-boggling number of posts, I'm sure there's something I'm not getting, and I'd be happy to hear what.

    EDIT: I couldn't find the disclaimer from Microsoft: "Despite relentless nagging about it, this product might be next to impossible to update. Please seek help from third-party the case should arise. No guarantee. Thank you for your purchase."
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  10. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #10

    Okay but, how can imaging help the update process?
    No, that's not the logic at all.

    It's necessary to be prepared for disaster. Backup (imaging is the most fundamental form readily available) when things are working. Not after things have gone wrong.

    Point is, now there's been a major upgrade, a lot has changed on the system disk.

    So NOW start a NEW disk imaging sequence with a new base (initial image)- and regular differential or incremental ones based on that.. until the NEXT major upgrade- and so on.

    Then there is the argument that one should have a current image BEFORE a mjor upgrade... in case things go wrong...
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