1.    26 Aug 2015 #1
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    Partition scheme win10 x64 family, uefi and secure boot ?


    Hello,

    I'm currently reinstalling entirely windows 10 x64 with uefi , hardware fast boot, and secureboot.

    I'm a bit confused because win 10 installer set:

    Recovery on partition 1
    System on partition 2 (win re)
    MSR (not formated) 3
    Then System (c at end of the other partitions.

    First, contrary to every microsoft guides for win 10,
    WIn 10 installer set Recovery at the left side of the drive.

    Usually in win 10, it should be set at end ( right) just after C: so windows 10 can shrink the partition to let for future usage, win RE expand.

    I would like to know if it's a good feature or a bug.

    Next is it normal on a samsung F3 512gb 512k sector, efi fat 32 partition been selected as a 99MB ?

    Usually it's 260mB for 4k sectors, and 128Mb on my old win 7 install.

    I would like to know if i have to manually format the hard drive and set partition so Win re is at end, and Efi been larger ?

    Thanks a lot.
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  2.    26 Aug 2015 #2
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    Partition 1 (450 MB) Recovery Partition - Windows Recovery Environment tools and utilities.

    Partition 2 (99/100/260 MB) EFI System Partition - UEFI firmware loads files stored on the EFI System partition to start installed operating systems.

    Partition 3 (16 MB) Microsoft Reserved Partition - This partition not visible within Windows Disk Management.

    Partition 4 - Primary Partition

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  3.    26 Aug 2015 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbern View Post
    I'm currently reinstalling entirely windows 10 x64 with uefi , hardware fast boot, and secureboot.

    I'm a bit confused because win 10 installer set: Recovery on partition 1, System on partition 2 (win re), MSR (not formated) 3, Then System (c at end of the other partitions.

    First, contrary to every microsoft guides for win 10, WIn 10 installer set Recovery at the left side of the drive.

    Usually in win 10, it should be set at end ( right) just after C: so windows 10 can shrink the partition to let for future usage, win RE expand.

    I would like to know if it's a good feature or a bug.

    Next is it normal on a samsung F3 512gb 512k sector, efi fat 32 partition been selected as a 99MB? Usually it's 260mB for 4k sectors, and 128Mb on my old win 7 install.

    I would like to know if i have to manually format the hard drive and set partition so Win re is at end, and Efi been larger ?
    Before installing, turn OFF
    Secure boot
    Fast boot

    You can turn them back on after the install if you want
    - Secure boot probably, it's a good security feature.
    - Fast Boot - maybe, I think it's just a hibernation methodology, but some hybrid drives have different mechanisms.

    Take a look at this page for from the horses mouth partitioning information


    I'm not sure MS has updated all of their pages for Win10 yet. The WinRE partition for example is documented at 300 MB, but a Win10 Clean install might set it to 450 MB (varying reports and experiences).

    If you're doing a clean install, wipe your drive and let Windows do the partitioning
    Do not pre-allocate the partitions, just install Clean on unallocated space and let Windows figure it out.

    Here's a modified batch file that pre-allocates the drive per MS documentation & experiences installing Windows 10.
    I don't pre-allocate partitions, I let Windows do the heavy lifting
    --------------- WARNING ---------------
    Click image for larger version. 

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    This batch file wipes drive 0
    All data will be erased from the drive


    Code:
    Diskpart
    
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem ---- Wipe the drive - this is a destructive process ----
    rem 
    rem -------- ALL DATA WILL BE ERASED FROM THE DRIVE --------
    rem 
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem ----- Windows RE tools partition -----------------------
    rem 
    rem create partition primary size=300
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    
    create partition primary size=450
    format quick fs=ntfs label="WinRE tools"
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    assign letter=T
    
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem ----- System partition ---------------------------------
    rem 
    rem create partition efi size=100
    rem 
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem NOTE: 4KB / sector drives
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem create partition efi size=260
    rem 
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    
    create partition efi size=260
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter=S
    
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem ----- Microsoft Reserved (MSR) partition ---------------
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    
    create partition msr size=128
    
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    rem ----- Windows & Recovery Image partitions --------------
    rem --------------------------------------------------------
    
    rem --- Windows partition
    
    create partition primary
    
    rem --- Reclaim space from the Windows partition to be
    rem --- used for the Recovery Image partition
    
    shrink minimum=15000
    
    rem --- Prepare the Windows partition
    
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    assign letter=W
    
    rem --- Recovery image partition
    
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Recovery image"
    assign letter=R
    
    list volume
    exit
    Bill
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  4.    26 Aug 2015 #4
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    Hello again,

    I thank you very much for all the answers.

    I choosed already let windows manage the partition, and everything is like described on genet and Slartybart post.

    I'm really happy, i kept my pictures on a kubuntu laptop so i can recover them.
    I lost all my game saves and non important data, but now instead of all my Win re msr and uefi after C: it's all in place in right order and place.

    I had a problem with win 10 repair before, it sayd whn i choosed from dvd or win re partition, that wersion or recovery tool is not compatible with this version of windows.

    Full reinstall fixed it aswell.
    And about not possible to log to a microsoft account, grey box, not possible to create a new user ?

    Everything work fine now.

    So a bad thing happend about wiping almost non important data, but now i have a fresh install
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  5.    26 Aug 2015 #5
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    Great news Elbern !
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  6.    26 Aug 2015 #6
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    Ok,

    I had problem with head parking i could hear at boot, then more and more often while playing game (loud click like when you open a soda can) Reinstalling and before formating with dd command and 1mb for hours fixed the problkem maybe temporary.
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  7.    26 Aug 2015 #7
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    You should probably check your drive for errors, just to be sure.

    Launch a Command Prompt (Admin)

    Method
    Screen


    x-Menu

    Right click the Windows logo on the task bar

    Select Command Prompt (Admin)
    and yes to the UAC prompt




    Search: command

    Press the Windows key on your keyboard

    Type command

    Right click the search result: Command Prompt

    Select Run as administrator
    and yes to the UAC prompt





    File Explorer: File menu

    Press the blue File menu on any open File Explorer
    Hover over Command Prompt
    or press the arrow to expand the selection

    Select Open command prompt as administrator

    This is a useful way to launch a batch or script file
    in a particular folder with elevated privileges.






    Then run Chkdsk twice, a read-only scan and a fix operation.

    The read-only scan often changes some low-level drive setting (the dirty bit?). I'm not sure why, but it only is effective when you run a read-only scan ... it has helped on a few of my questionable drives.

    The Fix scan actually looks for File System integrity issues. Most common are free space or Security descriptors that point no where - Chkdsk easily fixes those and they aren't really a concern unless the occur often.

    Run Check Disk read-only scan first (no run-time parameters)

    chkdsk C:

    Run Check Disk with fix errors (/F parameter). If prompted to schedule the scan for the next boot, answer yes. Restart your machine and Check Disk runs before Windows fully loads.

    chkdsk C: /F

    Check disk information is written to Event Viewer > Windows Logs > Application
    Expand Windows Logs and right click the Application log
    Select Find and enter Chkdsk in the search field

    There is some information way in the back of my head about parked heads - I'll see if I can recall what it was. If the issue does not occur again, that would be best
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