Win-10, Retaining ISO of Win-10 After Upgrade From Win-7

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  1. Posts : 139
    10.0.19045, build 19045
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    Win-10, Retaining ISO of Win-10 After Upgrade From Win-7


    Microsoft has upgraded my system several times since I did the Free Upgrade From Win-10.
    1) Is there any need to hold onto the ISO of that Upgrade since MIcrosoft has upgraded me several time since then?
    2) If my Win-10 system goes BYE_BYE, is a Free Upgrade of Win-10 OR Win-11 available? If so where, and will it be the latest upgrade for Win-10?
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  2. Posts : 6,247
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
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    dw85745 said:
    Microsoft has upgraded my system several times since I did the Free Upgrade From Win-10.
    1) Is there any need to hold onto the ISO of that Upgrade since MIcrosoft has upgraded me several time since then?
    The old Win 10 iso is useless. It's always good to have a Win 10 boot able USB drive with the latest Win 10 version to help diagnose and fix in case of trouble.
    2) If my Win-10 system goes BYE_BYE, is a Free Upgrade of Win-10 OR Win-11 available? If so where, and will it be the latest upgrade for Win-10?
    As the computer has been activated when you downgraded from win 7 to win 10, the computer has a so called digital license (The computer ID is stored on M$ servers). In other words, you can do a clean install on your computer (skip entering a license when asked) and it will activate.
    See answers above
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  3. Posts : 139
    10.0.19045, build 19045
    Thread Starter
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    Megahertz:
    Thanks for responding.
    If I understand correctly, I need to do an ISO backup of my current system as upgraded RATHER than a clone of my HD.
    If this is correct how do I do an ISO for an installed OS?

    I raise this question, as I understand it, because IMHO a HD clone will work as long as the EXACT SAME HARDWARE is in place. If one upgrades (or is forced to upgrade), then their hardware will be different,
    Then M$ security check string comes into play, and looks for a valid OS, which will fail because of new MOBO, etc. (what ever is in that string). So a ISO would be needed UNLESS some how one can upgrade their system with a new OS without loosing their settings. M$ did that from Win-7 to Win-10, but whether an individual can is BIG ??.
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  4. Posts : 21,421
    19044.1586 - 21H2 Pro x64
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    dw85745 hello,

    If you objective is to have an image backup Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect Make a MR Rescue USB too

    You can download the latest version ISO from uupdump.ml and other similar sites.
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  5. Posts : 139
    10.0.19045, build 19045
    Thread Starter
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    steve108: Thanks for responding.

    objective is to have an image backup
    NO. Forget the image. I do complete clones so can just pop and go it have problem.
    You can download the latest version ISO from uupdump.ml and other similar sites.
    Thanks I'll check it.
    Being able to do a quick restore (Not MS$ way, using an HD swap) is one of my FOUR BIG issues with MS$.

    FWIW:
    #2) Ability t track everything put on ones system (easily), when installing third party software.
    #3) Being able to get rid of all MS$ junk they stick on, that I don't use. E.g. XBox.
    #4) Ability to install a new OS and keep all the settings.
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  6. Posts : 21,421
    19044.1586 - 21H2 Pro x64
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    Keeping a cloned disk up to date would be too much work for me and unnecessary writing to my spare cloned SSD boot drive.

    With my Macrium Reflect image file, if my drive died, I can restore backup image file to a brand new boot drive in minutes.
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  7. Posts : 823
    W11 pro 64 beta channel
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    I would go for Steve's method, download a current one, your original will be well out of date. That is assuming your internet access will be alright with the size. I get mine directly from Microsoft.
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  8. Posts : 6,247
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
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    dw85745 said:
    Megahertz:
    Thanks for responding.
    If I understand correctly, I need to do an ISO backup of my current system as upgraded RATHER than a clone of my HD.
    No. I suggested you to make a Win 10 installation USB drive with a up to date ISO. Use MCT
    If this is correct how do I do an ISO for an installed OS?
    It's the opposite. You use an iso file to do an installer driver.

    I raise this question, as I understand it, because IMHO a HD clone will work as long as the EXACT SAME HARDWARE is in place. If one upgrades (or is forced to upgrade), then their hardware will be different,
    Not necessary
    Then M$ security check string comes into play, and looks for a valid OS, which will fail because of new MOBO, etc. (what ever is in that string). So a ISO would be needed UNLESS some how one can upgrade their system with a new OS without loosing their settings. M$ did that from Win-7 to Win-10, but whether an individual can is BIG ??.
    To activate you must have same MoBo.
    the answers
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  9. Posts : 18,424
    Windows 11 Pro
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    @dw85745,

    If I am to understand correctly, you want to maintain a clone of your existing drive so that in the event of a hardware failure you simply have to switch to the cloned drive and continue operating? Assuming you have cloned your existing drive to a second drive correctly, there are now two scenarios:

    1. The existing drive fails. You simply remove the failed drive, install the cloned drive, and continue operating. This does not constitute a change in hardware to Windows and you do, simply, continue operating.

    2. The motherboard fails. You install the cloned drive onto a new motherboard. This is a change in hardware to Windows. Your Windows will still boot and continue operating, but it will de-activate itself, which means some personalization options will be restricted. In order to re-activate Windows you need to do one of two things:

    a. If you have a valid product key for the same/comparable edition of Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 or 11 you can enter that product key to re-activate the installation of Windows.

    b. If you were logged in with a Microsoft account, and your digital license for Windows 10 or 11 was linked to in your Microsoft account, you can run the activation troubleshooter and tell it you changed hardware. Then you can "transfer" (it's really copy, not transfer) the digital license for Windows from the old computer to the new computer.

    The ISO file has nothing to do with either one of these scenarios. The ISO file is used to do a clean install of Windows (and you can also use it to do a repair install - in place upgrade). But that is completely separate from the activation issues.
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  10. Posts : 139
    10.0.19045, build 19045
    Thread Starter
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    Thanks to everyone for responding.

    steve108:
    Keeping a cloned disk up to date would be too much work for me
    Will have to agree to disagree on this one. I've been cloning HD for almost 40 years. Rarely needed it, but when I did it was worth its weight in gold.

    timar49
    See my response to steve108

    MegaHertz
    It's the opposite. You use an iso file to do an installer driver
    I agree, BUT first you have to have the ISO, and get it from somewhere. The problem here is I have MS$ original Win-7 disks, but because of the FREE Upgrade to Win-10, MS$ did their thing, the OS was upgraded, BUT not disks provided.
    At that time I created an ISO of Win-10. Fast forward, with MS$ doing Online Upgrades, the ISO, i created is out of date.
    If I recall the original was v 1904 and I think we're at 20H2 now. So if things crap ???
    To activate you must have same MoBo.
    That's exactly my point. Part of that licensing security string makes things non-functional. Whether just the MOBO I'm not sure. But whatever hardware changes make things non-functional, I want to be able to get back up and running without having to reload software or reset settings. The OS is just a means to an end, but a big roadblock.

    NAVYLCDR
    #1 - We're in agreement.
    #2 - That's the problem. See my response to Megaherz just above your moniker this response.
    This reason this is of concern is I have an OLD system. With Win-11 and TRUST, this is going to force everyone to get new hardware. Given my age -- older than dirt -- I don't want to go through a lot of hassle trying to get everything bad to where I like it. Re:
    . If you have a valid product key for the same/comparable edition of Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 or 11 you can enter that product key to re-activate the installation of Windows.
    If that works and my Win-7 will reactivate my Win-10 OR Win-11 (assuming MS$ gives out FREE upgrades I'm OK). Otherwise, like with previous OSes, were !@#$%^, and have to reload third party and reconfigure the OS for ones needs.

    The ISO file has nothing to do with either one of these scenarios. The ISO file is used to do a clean install of Windows (and you can also use it to do a repair install - in place upgrade). But that is completely separate from the activation issues.
    I agree. HENCE, the clone so no need to do a clean install, ONCE installed, OTHER than possible Repair needs. BUT one first has to have the IOS of the version ones running. I don't believe 1904 will fix 20H2 ( or whatever is latest)
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