Transferring or Restoring WIN 10 system on an new WIN 11 computer

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  1. ils
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       #11

    SIW2 said:
    I am assuming the machine you ordered is 11 gen intel. If I was buying new I would go for 12th gen
    yes, in most cases. Win10 is quite good at adjusting itself to different hardware.

    Yes that should be doable. Your new machine might need irs drivers added to the restore boot media to be able to see the target disk.

    this is the hp info, explaining that standard win10 boot.wim cannot see the target disk and how to fix it. However many newer oem machines with intel 11th gen cpu from dell, acer, etc need the same
    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06983517

    If that is complicated, you can borrow my boot media which supports it
    HERE
    I don’t know the gen, but I’ll find out. Sorry, I’ve been away a few days. Thanks. It’s being shipped.

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    dalchina said:
    Is that MBR (legacy)? Or UEFI?

    You can only directly move a disk if both systems are UEFI or both MBR.

    And before you do so, ensure you do indeed have a current image of ALL partitions on the disk.
    I don’t know about UEFI or MBR. How do I find out, and I can’t change the old laptop.
    But I did image both partitions of the disk
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  2. Posts : 18,424
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       #12

    ils said:
    I don’t know about UEFI or MBR. How do I find out, and I can’t change the old laptop.
    But I did image both partitions of the disk
    diskpart
    lisk disk

    Code:
    Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.22000.434]
    (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
    
    C:\windows\system32>diskpart
    
    Microsoft DiskPart version 10.0.22000.1
    
    Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.
    On computer: RAIDER
    
    DISKPART> list disk
    
      Disk ###  Status         Size     Free     Dyn  Gpt
      --------  -------------  -------  -------  ---  ---
      Disk 0    Online          953 GB      0 B        *
      Disk 1    Online          465 GB      0 B        *
    
    DISKPART>
    If there is asterisk int he GPT column, the disk must be booting in UEFI mode. If there is no asterisk, the disk is MBR and there is 99% chance it is booting in legacy BIOS (CSM) mode.

    Also, the comment UEFI or MBR is referring to two different things. UEFI is a mode of booting. MBR is a partitioning type. There is UEFI booting v. legacy BIOS (or CSM) booting, and there are MBR partitioned v. GPT partitioned disks. MBR can be booted in either legacy BIOS or UEFI mode. GPT can be booted only in UEFI mode.
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  3. ils
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       #13

    Megahertz said:
    The Dell E5430 laptop (2013) has a 2.5" SSD (Legacy- MBR or EFI-GPT)
    The Dell XPS 8940 desktop has a M.2 NVMe EFI-GPT and a 3.5" HDD

    This is what I would do:
    - Create a Drive image backup from the XPS 8940 M.2 NVMe and save it to the 3.5" HDD.
    - Detach (SATA or power cable) the 3.5" HDD and remove the M.2 NVMe. (better be safe than sorry)
    - Attach the 2.5" SSD to the XPS 8940. Boot from a Win 10 USB installation drive and find out if the drive is MBR or GPT.
    - If MBR, convert to EFI-GPT using MBR2GPT
    - Boot from the 2.5" SSD and let windows adjust itself to the new hardware.
    - When everything is working fine on the new hardware, shutdown, install the M.2 NVMe and attach the 3.5" HDD.
    - Boot from the 2.5" SSD and clone the 2.5" SSD into the M.2 NVMe and then remove the 2.5" SSD or let both (2.5" SSD and M.2 NVMe) for dual boot (Win 10 from 2.5" SSD and Win 11 from M.2 NVMe)

    For drive image use Macrium Reflect Free or DiskGenius
    Wow. That’s a mouthful, but I think I understand it. The machine is being shipped, and I’ll try it sometime next week. Thanks, Megahertz.
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  4. Posts : 4,512
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       #14

    Or you can look in properties

    Transferring or Restoring WIN 10 system on an new WIN 11 computer-disk-properties.jpg

    Transferring or Restoring WIN 10 system on an new WIN 11 computer-partition-style.jpg
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  5. Posts : 41,413
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #15

    For the move the old system has files and the new system has files, drivers and applications?

    Why not just move the files to the new system.

    This way everything is fresh and not contaminated by old registry entries, old drivers, and old applications?



    There are multiple TF threads where OPs had difficulty converting MBR2GPT.
    So think about a work around if it is needed and occurs.


    The problematic computer can be booted to the BIOS to see the current settings:
    Legacy
    UEFI hybrid (with CSM)
    UEFI native (without CSM)

    If it has the Legacy setting then you know that the drive is MBR.


    Check if Disk is MBR or GPT in Windows

    Check if Windows 10 is using UEFI or Legacy BIOS
    Last edited by zbook; 20 Jan 2022 at 23:23.
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  6. ils
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    Thread Starter
       #16

    Still trying to get WIN 10 SSD into my WIN 11 machine


    [QUOTE=Megahertz;2365979]The Dell E5430 laptop (2013) has a 2.5" SSD (Legacy- MBR or EFI-GPT)
    The Dell XPS 8940 desktop has a M.2 NVMe EFI-GPT and a 3.5" HDD
    Megahertz.
    Here's where I'm at, following your instructions, and where I'm stuck.
    First, I learned that my 2.5" SSD (that I want to boot WIN 10 from) is MBR.
    Now, ny XPS is fully updated with WIN 11. I've:
    - Created a Drive image backup from the XPS 8940 M.2 NVMe and save it to the 3.5" HDD.
    - Detached (SATA or power cable) the 3.5" HDD and remove the M.2 NVMe. (better safe than sorry)
    I put the MBR SSD in the XPS, but it wasn't recognized as a bootable disk.

    Now my problem is HOW to convert the 2.5" SSD to EFI-GPT.

    I can boot to WIN 11 and the MBR SSD shows up as a readable drive (E:\).
    Is there any way to convert the readable drive to EFI? I read the instructions "If MBR, convert to EFI-GPT using MBR2GPT" But that seem to require that the conversion is done to a bootable drive, which E: is not.

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    [QUOTE=Megahertz;2365979]The Dell E5430 laptop (2013) has a 2.5" SSD (Legacy- MBR or EFI-GPT)
    The Dell XPS 8940 desktop has a M.2 NVMe EFI-GPT and a 3.5" HDD

    PS. I made a WIN 11 boot disk with the XPS WIN 11, which I assume is the USB installation drive you referred to. I tried to boot the XPS machine from it, but it wasn't recognized. I also have a USB stick with a WIN 10 boot disk, made from a WIN 10 PC.
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  7. Posts : 6,247
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       #17

    ils said:
    "I put the MBR SSD in the XPS, but it wasn't recognized as a bootable disk."
    The BIOS is probably set to boot only from a EFI-GPT drive, that is why it doesn't boot.
    Detach (SATA or power cable) from the 3.5" HDD and remove the M.2 NVMe.
    To convert the Legacy-MBR (2.5" SSD) from the old computer to EFI-GPT, I suggest you boot from a Win 11 or win 10 installation drive. At the Windows Setup screen, press Shift+F10 simultaneously to open a command line prompt and type:
    mbr2gpt /validate

    if ok to convert

    mbr2gpt /convert

    Once converted, you can boot from it and Windows will ajust itself for the new hardware.
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  8. Posts : 21,421
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       #18

    Megahertz said:
    The BIOS is probably set to boot only from a EFI-GPT drive, that is why it doesn't boot.
    Detach (SATA or power cable) from the 3.5" HDD and remove the M.2 NVMe.
    To convert the Legacy-MBR (2.5" SSD) from the old computer to EFI-GPT, I suggest you boot from a Win 11 or win 10 installation drive. At the Windows Setup screen, press Shift+F10 simultaneously to open a command line prompt and type:
    mbr2gpt /validate

    if ok to convert

    mbr2gpt /convert

    Once converted, you can boot from it and Windows will ajust itself for the new hardware.
    Why not check the BIOS first and confirm EFI or not?
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  9. Posts : 6,247
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       #19

    steve108 said:
    Why not check the BIOS first and confirm EFI or not?
    The computer came with Win 11 and NVMe, so BIOS is set to boot as UEFI-GPT.
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  10. ils
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    Thread Starter
       #20

    Megahertz said:
    At the Windows Setup screen, press Shift+F10 simultaneously to open a command line prompt and type:
    mbr2gpt /validate
    THe cmd says X:\sources> But it didn't accept 'mbr2gpt /validate' It says 'failed to retrieve geimetry for disk -1.
    Also, I checked. the XPS machine has BIOS 2.4.0, Verson Build 4400.12 UEFI ROM
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