Before I'm going to try Windows 11

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  1. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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    Windows 11 Pro
       #81

    wolfie138 said:
    i admit to not following this topic at all, but i'm still baffled - i thought Win 11 *needed* the TPM etc to be on as integral to its coding/operation etc ~ if i don't have that, or don't activate it, how could Win 11 be installed on the machine, either by them or manually from an ISO?
    TPM is not integral to the Windows 11 OS itself. It is only checked for during setup. The check is done via a .dll file loaded by setup. Replace the Windows 11 .dll file on the USB flash drive with the one from Windows 10 and the TPM check is bypassed. Or manually install Windows 11 yourself with the dism /apply-image command.

    The .dll file that setup uses to check for TPM is appraiserres.dll.
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  2. Posts : 222
    win10 20H2
       #82

    it's definitely confusing the likes of me, lol. everything is saying you need TPM for Win 11 to work, then someone says, it seems, you can install it on a machine that doesn't have it.
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  3. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #83

    wolfie138 said:
    it's definitely confusing the likes of me, lol. everything is saying you need TPM for Win 11 to work, then someone says, it seems, you can install it on a machine that doesn't have it.
    No, you need TPM 2.0 to get past the checks that Setup makes when you install 11, once installed it doesn't actually need TPM to run. Those checks can be bypassed if you want to install on an unsupported device. The workarounds are well known, Microsoft have even published one of them.

    Microsoft said:
    If you choose to install Windows 11 on a device that does not meet these requirements, and you acknowledge and understand the risks, you can create the following registry key values....
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...b-2ce77ac7c70e
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  4. Posts : 222
    win10 20H2
       #84

    thanks for the replies, guys. thik i'll still hold off as i usually do w/ OSs, let them bed in a while and get the initial fixes/bug squashes etc.
    in slightly related, this machine is still telling me 21H2 is available, is there any benefit to doing that, or holding off for a few months and just going to W11??
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  5. krollo's Avatar
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    Win10 Pro 64bit 21H2 (19044.1415)
       #85

    wolfie138 said:
    thanks for the replies, guys. thik i'll still hold off as i usually do w/ OSs, let them bed in a while and get the initial fixes/bug squashes etc.
    in slightly related, this machine is still telling me 21H2 is available, is there any benefit to doing that, or holding off for a few months and just going to W11??
    21H2 is pretty minor so just go ahead. The next W10 update won't be until Nov2022 anyway. :)
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  6. Posts : 93
    Windows 10 Home
       #86

    Will TenForums have a place to discuss Windows 11? I'm curious what others experience with it is. I didn't plan on upgrading to 11 but I was having problems with an indexing program, Copernic, and thought upgrading might fix the issue. It didn't, however since then I found something else to change in Copernic which, so far, has solved the problem.

    My first annoyance with 11 is the taskbar. It has icons for Chat and Widgets, neither of which I use, but there seems to be no way to remove the icons from the taskbar. They ignore right clicks so there's no option for "unpin from taskbar" like there is with the other icons that I installed.

    I don't care for the right click menu for files. The choices are "Open" "Open With" "Compress To Zip File" "Copy as Path" "Properties" "Share with Skype" and "Show More Options". There are icons at the top of that window for "Cut" "Copy" "Share" "Rename" and "Delete". That does cover most of the common functions but I find myself clicking on "Show More Options" which opens the right click window I had on Windows 10. That gives me quick access to "Add to Tag and Rename", "Bulk Rename", 7-Zip, Edit ID Tag, Send To, and some other functions. I'd rather just have everything in the same window but will have to wait for someone to create hacks and smart tools.

    The appearance of the windows in 11 are OK; they are virtually borderless, which gives it a slick, modern look. Clicking on search opens another window which is pretty useful. There's a place to type in your search, but there's also a list of choices you can specify: Apps, Documents, Web, Email, Music, People, Photos, Videos; you can also just choose "ALL".

    That window has quick access to Settings, Snipping Tool, Calculator, Browser, Files, as well as Today In History, New Movies, Translate, Markets Today. Not quite as busy as the start window but there's a lot there.

    Besides those Windows 11 features the overlay with Windows 10 is very good. Everything acts like it did before when I run a program such as Outlook. It didn't change my fonts or the look of my desktop. It did remove some hacks I had for "copy to" and "move to" but they're easy to put back.
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  7. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #87

    larrydonline said:
    Will TenForums have a place to discuss Windows 11? I'm curious what others experience with it is.....

    There will inevitably be some talk here on Ten Forums, but if you really want to see a full discussion of the 'Windows 11 experience' then you should go to the sister site Eleven Forum. Many of us have registered there as well, so you'll be in familiar company. And if you want to join in the discussion, just register

    Here's as good a thread as any to read a good cross-section of experiences....

    Poll: Windows 11 - Love it or Hate It? | Windows 11 Forum
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  8. CMArbres's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home Version: 21H1 (OS Build 19043,1387)
       #88

    Bree said:
    There will inevitably be some talk here on Ten Forums, but if you really want to see a full discussion of the 'Windows 11 experience' then you should go to the sister site Eleven Forum. Many of us have registered there as well, so you'll be in familiar company. And if you want to join in the discussion, just register

    Here's as good a thread as any to read a good cross-section of experiences....

    Poll: Windows 11 - Love it or Hate It? | Windows 11 Forum
    Thanks for reminding me to look at the Windows 11 site for insights before I eventually upgrade. Neither of my current machines meet the spec though I am looking at replacing them. I'm happy sticking to Windows 10 for now, soon upgrading from Home to Pro for the networking and Group Policy functions.
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  9. Posts : 93
    Windows 10 Home
       #89

    Thanks, Bree. I've joined.
    Funny thing, I just ran Belarc Advisor to fill out my profile on eleven and it says my operating system is Windows 10 Home (x64) Version 2009 (build 22000.318). Don't know why it doesn't find Windows 11, which it is.
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  10. Bree's Avatar
    Posts : 22,621
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #90

    larrydonline said:
    Thanks, Bree. I've joined.

    Funny thing, I just ran Belarc Advisor to fill out my profile on eleven and it says my operating system is Windows 10 Home (x64) Version 2009 (build 22000.318). Don't know why it doesn't find Windows 11, which it is.

    Nothing will say 'Windows 11'. All such utilities, including ShowKeyPlus, read this information from the registry in:
    Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion

    And MS in their infinite wisdom have written 'Windows 10...' for the ProductName value there.
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