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  1. Try3's Avatar
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       #11

    56Kruiser said:
    I am not having success booting with the USB drive I created following the instructions in the Clean Boot tutorials linked above.
    On the old PC, I get Invalid Partition error.
    Now that you have clarified how you made the USB, I cannot think of any explanation for that error.
    Personally, I'd try to prove that the USB is alright by getting another computer to boot from it.

    56Kruiser said:
    I tried booting it on this laptop, and I get a blank screen. If I click the power button, it seems to go into sleep mode, and when I click the power button again, it opens into the login screen. I did set bios on this one to legacy, etc.
    If you have booted from the USB, the computer should not know what sleep is or what a login screen is.
    I don't think this computer has booted from the USB at all. You should have seen this dialog.
    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-01-select-keyboard-etc.jpg
    But this observation does not help with the problem computer at all and it does not eliminate the notion that there is something wrong with the USB [which is what I would have hoped this comparison test would have done].


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  2. Try3's Avatar
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       #12

    56Kruiser said:
    I keep wondering if I am selecting wrong thing to load with, ie. HDD, USBFDD, USBHDD, etc. None work.
    Perhaps you could post a photo of the Boot options menu, the list of things you can boot with.

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  3. MisterEd's Avatar
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       #13

    56Kruiser said:
    Yeah. It seems wierd. I've done this in the past, albeit quite a while aback.

    I keep wondering if I am selecting wrong thing to load with, ie. HDD, USBFDD, USBHDD, etc. None work.
    On one old computer with a Gigabyte motherboard I had to first select Hard Disk to navigate to the Sandisk USB flash drive.
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  4. Posts : 288
    Windows 10 Home 1909 18363.900
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       #14

    @MisterEd thanks.

    So, I have determined that the PC is not recognizing the drive at all, unless I go ahead and boot into Windows, then it sees it fine.

    I wonder if the problems are due to the technology that is likely new compared to when this PC's components were made. I've tried with a flash drive, and now with an SDD drive.

    Going to search around and see if I can find one and try that.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Well, I thought I had an old 2 1/2" disk left over from an upgrade to SSD. I must have tossed it.

    I did just try booting from the SSD with the Windows image on the laptop I'm on now, and it booted up to install Windows fine.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Getting the invalid partition message, I got to wondering if I had a GPD partition, but it needs to be a MBR. So I totally cleaned the drive, and went through the process to create a MBR...altlhough I have to say that while the command lines indicated success, I didn't see anything in the Manage Disks utility other than an unformatted drive. So I fornatted it with exFat, and again applied the boot stuff from the Media Creation Tool.

    And of course, it made no difference.

    I thought about trying the DVD angle suggested a bit ago, but I suspect it would require a different DVD writer than I have, and of course purchase of 2 layer DVDs.

    I may have to give up on this.
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  5. AddRAM's Avatar
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       #15

    You are probably choosing UEFI USB Stick instead of the MBR USB Stick on the list of choices from the boot menu.

    Notice the difference between the same Lexar USB stick in this photo. If you want to install windows in a Legacy/MBR mode then simply choose the option that does not have UEFI written in front of it.

    You do not need a key to create a USB installer, and you should be deleting the entire drive to unallocated space, before hitting Next.

    You don`t do anything to the USB stick, the Media Creation Tool does everything for you, just read the screen, it walks you right through creating a USB stick installer for UEFI or MBR.

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  6. Posts : 288
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       #16

    @AddRAM, I appreciate your input.
    My first attempt was with a USB stick, and it failed with the invalid partition. I believe that UEFI is not a feature on this older PC. Not mentioned anywhere at boot or in BIOS.

    Someone earlier suggested that I post pics of the boot screens. I'm finally getting to that.
    1. At initial boot, and I select F12:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-20210804_152129.jpg

    2. This is the boot up screen after selecting F12. From this screen if I select Hard Disk:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-20210804_152222.jpg

    It then presents with this screen listing the drives to select from:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-20210804_152148.jpg

    The drive with the Windows files created with the tool is not listed. NOTE again...if I boot up my laptop that I'm on now, the drive is listed, I can select it, and it boots into Windows ready for me to install. So, for whatever reason, this older PC is not seeing the install drive. The drive I'm using is an 2.5" SDD drive mounted in a case for it and a USB cable.

    If I select USB-HDD as seen below:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-20210804_152236.jpg

    I get the Invalid Partition error:

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  7. NavyLCDR's Avatar
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       #17

    What USB port is the flash drive plugged into? It should be plugged into a black USB directly off the motherboard in the back of the computer.

    Since you can boot into Windows, another option would be to create an 8 GB NTFS partition on an internal hard drive, extract a Windows installation ISO file to the new partition - or copy the files and folders from the USB flash drive to the new partition, add the new partition to the Windows boot menu, then boot the computer into the new partition and you can get into setup that way.
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  8. Posts : 288
    Windows 10 Home 1909 18363.900
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       #18

    @NavyLCDR, Thanks! That's an excellent suggestion, and I have the drives in there to do that.

    I have tried USB on the back, 2-3 different ones. It's really wierd.

    "Something" is broken, it seems to me. The whole reason for wanting to do the load in the first place is because Windows updates will no longer apply.

    I'll post back how that goes.

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    @NavyLCDR...you mention adding the new drive to the boot menu. I've never known about that option.

    I wonder if I add the USB drive to the boot menu. I presume I would need to have it connected while I do that.

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    Well of course I am stuck...

    I copied the files from the SD drive into the 8GB partition on another drive. It shows up as D: in the file explorer. Files are at root, no Windows directory. That was the way that the Windows Creation Tool did it.

    So, I found info on Microsoft's site about using BCDEdit to add to the Bootloader. It says to copy the existing one and then edit that. But, while the article speaks about editing the file, it goes down the path about commands to change the order of the drives presented. But no information on how to edit it. So, the second one points to same place as the first one.

    I did a search and went down 3-4 rabbit holes, never to find how to edit it. This what is in the bootloader file:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-bcdedit.jpg

    Now, the directory created doesn't even match anything at all, no Windows dir, no Winload.exe file...I'm not sure what I got here or how to get it to be an option to boot at this point. Below is the top level directory create by the Windows Creation Tool:

    Reload Windows 10 Pro, need product ID? -> No record of it...-directory.jpg

    Suggestions?
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  9. Try3's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 19044.1288
       #19

    I have never seen those other two folders you illustrated but the rest is normal.

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    InstallUSB top-level folders


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  10. Posts : 288
    Windows 10 Home 1909 18363.900
    Thread Starter
       #20

    @Try3...The two folders you mention are related to a ransomware app Cyberreason that writes those out there. Theyare text files just contain garbage.

    My big issue right now is how the heck to edit the boot loader to correct the path to the other drive in the computer that I want to boot to.
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