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  1.    20 Aug 2015 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I'll bet you are just copying the iso file itself to the DVD. The ISO file is like a compressed Zip file. You have to burn the image that is inside the ISO file. I use imgburn for that.

    or, if you just install the Minitool Partition Wizard program you don't even have to mess with booting from a CD/DVD. You make your changes and the program will tell you that you have to reboot to finish them and it will boot back into the Minitool program and make the changes for you.
    Hi, thanks for coming back to me.

    That is 3 disks now and none of them work. Is this not the ISO program that I have downloaded or are you talking about another program?? very confusing

    Thx len
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  2.    20 Aug 2015 #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltj22 View Post
    Hi, thanks for coming back to me.

    That is 3 disks now and none of them work. Is this not the ISO program that I have downloaded or are you talking about another program?? very confusing

    Thx len
    How are you burning the image?.
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  3.    20 Aug 2015 #73
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    Hi Len,

    I just read through the posts.

    TopGun gave some good advice on the size in post #67
    153600 MB = 150 GB

    I've found that if you add 2 MB to any size, then Windows displays the full 150 GB
    153602
    It's not really important, it's just that I'm a bit anal retentive and I don't like seeing 149.9 when I want to see 150

    As far as an optimal size goes, there isn't one. Keeping the size smaller does allow easier management and backups. I run my test systems on 40 GB and my main system at 100 GB. All of my data is stored on other partitions, so I don't need a massive Windows partition. I also have rather modest needs for programs.

    I'll second TopGun's recommendation of 150 GB for Windows. If you find lots of free space after running with that for a few months, you can shrink it if you want ... or if you find that space is tight, you can grow it.

    Re: PW boot - I thought I might have been mistaken about using the native Windows Burn to disc, so I double checked.
    The tab I mentioned in post# 61 only appears on File Explorer if you have the ISO file highlighted/selected

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	miniPWburnISO.PNG 
Views:	35 
Size:	11.2 KB 
ID:	32915

    If you click the Disc Image tools / Manage tab, it expands the ribbon

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	miniPWburnISO-b.PNG 
Views:	35 
Size:	9.4 KB 
ID:	32916

    You can then press Burn, the Windows Disc Image Burner dialog opens

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	miniPWburnISO-c.PNG 
Views:	35 
Size:	6.0 KB 
ID:	32917

    Insert a CD-R or DVD-R (don't use DVD-RW - it might not boot)
    Press burn ... it should not take very long, the ISO is small.

    That's all I can think of.
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  4.    20 Aug 2015 #74
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    I don't use built in burner so I am not sure if it burns the ISO itself or burns the bootable content of the ISO. That's why I recommend
    UltraISOPortable_9.6.5.paf.exe . Just download, double click, it will extract to the desktop, run it and look at the screen shot of my previous post.
    @NavyLCDR
    Sure you can install it but for a one time deal, you only need it to make the change. Myself, I hate to install anything that I only need to use once. Also, if I can get a portable version of anything then I rather use that, put in a portable folder on another drive and they are available if I use another OS or dual boot.
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  5.    21 Aug 2015 #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by topgundcp View Post
    I don't use built in burner so I am not sure if it burns the ISO itself or burns the bootable content of the ISO. That's why I recommend
    UltraISOPortable_9.6.5.paf.exe . Just download, double click, it will extract to the desktop, run it and look at the screen shot of my previous post.
    @NavyLCDR
    Sure you can install it but for a one time deal, you only need it to make the change. Myself, I hate to install anything that I only need to use once. Also, if I can get a portable version of anything then I rather use that, put in a portable folder on another drive and they are available if I use another OS or dual boot.
    Hi all,

    Thank you all for the help...I think I have now caused more problems. As the disks did not work, I downloaded them again...And...All my own stupid fault...Not sure which one of the programs...But I clicked on download and up came pop ups like you have never seen..Ads for supermarkets, Tesco, Asda, and Sainsburys, I tried to get out of it, but kept getting the same message are you sure you want to leave this page. Win 500 next page win 5000 are you sure you want to leave this page...I could not get out of this loop..In the end it beat me..I just pulled the plug....It has taught me a lesson to pay attention on what I click on...So today...I will format the harddrive, I cant take any chances just in case I have picked up something..I hate that cliche "lessons will be learnt" but in this case I have.!!!


    Regards.....Len ........sent from my tablet...
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  6.    21 Aug 2015 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by topgundcp View Post
    I don't use built in burner so I am not sure if it burns the ISO itself or burns the bootable content of the ISO.

    Sure you can install it but for a one time deal, you only need it to make the change.
    That's what I meant by double checking ... When I read maybe you copied the ISO to disc..., I thought "Oh no, I gave bad advice" but using the native burn-to-disc created the proper bootable PW 9.1 (as I thought it would - phew!)

    I recommend the CD/DVD/Flash route because managing a system drive is always better with Windows out of the way. Files are not in use and the process is quicker.

    I also use PW on many machines, so the CD works best for my needs.
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  7.    21 Aug 2015 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltj22 View Post
    Hi all,

    Thank you all for the help...I think I have now caused more problems. As the disks did not work, I downloaded them again...And...All my own stupid fault...Not sure which one of the programs...But I clicked on download and up came pop ups like you have never seen..Ads for supermarkets, Tesco, Asda, and Sainsburys, I tried to get out of it, but kept getting the same message are you sure you want to leave this page. Win 500 next page win 5000 are you sure you want to leave this page...I could not get out of this loop..In the end it beat me..I just pulled the plug....It has taught me a lesson to pay attention on what I click on...So today...I will format the harddrive, I cant take any chances just in case I have picked up something..I hate that cliche "lessons will be learnt" but in this case I have.!!!


    Regards.....Len ........sent from my tablet...
    Yep, one misClick can get you a boatload of trouble. It's very common, don't beat your self up too much, but do be more careful in the future. Some sites make it hard to figure out the good from the bad, often the bad download buttons look the same as the download button for the software you really want.

    This just costs you time - no big deal really... consider it practice

    The easiest thing to do is boot the Win10 install media, press Shift F10 at the first screen and enter the following commands in the Cmd window. You only have one HDD, so I don't have to guess the drive #

    diskpart
    sel dis 0
    clean
    exit

    Press the X on the Cmd window to return to the install.

    You'll probably end up with the same disk schema so you'll still need a bootable PW.

    We can cover those bases when you get Win10 re-installed.
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  8.    21 Aug 2015 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Yep, one misClick can get you a boatload of trouble. It's very common, don't beat your self up too much, but do be more careful in the future. Some sites make it hard to figure out the good from the bad, often the bad download buttons look the same as the download button for the software you really want.

    This just costs you time - no big deal really... consider it practice

    The easiest thing to do is boot the Win10 install media, press Shift F10 at the first screen and enter the following commands in the Cmd window. You only have one HDD, so I don't have to guess the drive #

    diskpart
    sel dis 0
    clean
    exit

    Press the X on the Cmd window to return to the install.

    You'll probably end up with the same disk schema so you'll still need a bootable PW.

    We can cover those bases when you get Win10 re-installed.
    Hi Bill,

    Oh Yes a valuable lesson learned....I now know it was not the Mini it was the other one....So If I am going to get the same disk schema does that mean I will have to make the bootable DVD to shrink the c: drive??? If so is there any way to delete all the partitions and start from scratch??

    I will get this PC sorted ................................................................one day
    Thanks for all your help -Len
    Last edited by ltj22; 21 Aug 2015 at 08:30. Reason: added text
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  9.    21 Aug 2015 #79
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    I thought about pre-allocating the space, but I'm not certain if the other partitions will get properly created.

    I know that they will on a clean drive. So rather than test it on your machine, just let the install do what it needs.

    Then yes, the bootable Minitool Partition Wizard (PW) will be used to shrink C:

    You might want to spend a few pounds on a small USB flash drive. Staples, here, in the States, has 16 and 32 GB PNY thumb drives on sale (6 & 12 USD respectively). Why? I think you might be running out of DVDs

    Think about the programs and data on your previous drive - about how much space did you use for each. An estimate is good enough.

    I'll get a 3rd cup of coffee and write up a preliminary schema on what I know now. Don't worry about specifics, you'll be a disk schema expert when all of this is done and be able to create or change partitions in your sleep.

    If so is there any way to delete all the partitions and start from scratch??

    Yes, that's what all of this does. The CLEAN command wipes the drive.

    The easiest thing to do is boot the Win10 install media, press Shift F10 at the first screen and enter the following commands in the Cmd window. You only have one HDD, so I don't have to guess the drive #

    diskpart
    sel dis 0
    clean
    exit

    Press the X on the Cmd window to return to the install.

    Bill
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  10.    21 Aug 2015 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    I thought about pre-allocating the space, but I'm not certain if the other partitions will get properly created.

    I know that they will on a clean drive. So rather than test it on your machine, just let the install do what it needs.

    Then yes, the bootable Minitool Partition Wizard (PW) will be used to shrink C:

    You might want to spend a few pounds on a small USB flash drive. Staples, here, in the States, has 16 and 32 GB PNY thumb drives on sale (6 & 12 USD respectively). Why? I think you might be running out of DVDs

    Think about the programs and data on your previous drive - about how much space did you use for each. An estimate is good enough.

    I'll get a 3rd cup of coffee and write up a preliminary schema on what I know now. Don't worry about specifics, you'll be a disk schema expert when all of this is done and be able to create or change partitions in your sleep.

    If so is there any way to delete all the partitions and start from scratch??

    Yes, that's what all of this does. The CLEAN command wipes the drive.
    The easiest thing to do is boot the Win10 install media, press Shift F10 at the first screen and enter the following commands in the Cmd window. You only have one HDD, so I don't have to guess the drive #

    diskpart
    sel dis 0
    clean
    exit

    Press the X on the Cmd window to return to the install.

    Bill
    Thanks Bill, I will let you know how I get on..

    Have a good weekend Len
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