What exactly is UEFI and why is it stopping me from installing Win10?

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  1. Posts : 1
    Windows 10
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    What exactly is UEFI and why is it stopping me from installing Win10?


    I have the following components:
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X38-DS5
    4x WD20EARS HDDs

    Using the onboard Intel Matrix RAID Controller, I setup the drives in RAID5.

    So I want to install Windows 10 on the 4 WD HDDs, which are in RAID5. I know the motherboard is old, but it still works, is quick, and would cost a lot to replace, so why not?

    I downloaded the Microsoft Windows 10 image using the Image Creation Tool which created a nice little package on my USB key. So far so good. I boot the USB key into the Windows 10 setup and get to the part where it asks me to choose a drive to install to. I'm presented with one drive, Drive0, which is 5589GB in size. Automatically, setup shows a warning "Windows can't be installed on this

    drive" and clicking Show Details shows the warning "Windows cannot be installed to this disk. This computer's hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure the disk's controller is enabled in the computer's BIOS menu".

    I Shift-F10 to get into the CMD and run DISKPART and created a new partition. When I went back to the setup, the new 5589GB partition was ready, however the waning had changed to "Windows can't be installed on drive0 partition1 and clicking on Show Details shows the warning "Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk is of type GPT partition style....".

    Ok, at this point I am thinking that due to the age of the motherboard, it does not have UEFI and thus does not support booting from a GPT disk.

    I went back into the Intel Matrix RAID setup and deleted the RAID configuration and this time created a RAID5 with only 3 disks, leaving 1 2TB drive free.

    I again ran Setup and this time it presented me with the following disks:

    Drive0 Partition1 Size=579MB Type=System
    Drive0 Partition2 Size=1862GB Type Primary
    Drive1 Unallocated Space Size=3726GB Type=Blank

    I was now able to select the Drive0 Partition2 and install Windows10. Yay! Gr8. But this is not where I wanted to install the OS- on a single stand-alone disk.

    So what happened? Why did it work this time. It looks to me like the Setup would not install on a partition which was greater than 1862GB when the motherboard is not UEFI. Does this make sense?

    I tried again, still using the 1862GB single drive and the 3726GB RAID5 drive, using DISKPART I deleted all partitions on the RAID5 drive, converted it to MBR, and created a new primary 1953GB

    partition. I now have the following options in Setup:

    Drive0 Unallocated Space Size=1863GB Type=Blank -> This is the single 2TB drive.
    Drive1 Partition1 Size=1953.1GB Type=Primary
    Drive1 Unallocated Space Size=94.9GB Type=Blank
    Drive1 Unallocated Space Size=1678GB Type=Blank

    Automatically, setup shows a warning "Windows can't be installed on this drive" and clicking Show Details shows the warning "Windows cannot be installed to this disk. This computer's hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure the disk's controller is enabled in the computer's BIOS menu". However, when I press the Next button, Windows installs on the Primary partition!?

    What the?
    So this time, I went back into the Intel Matrix RAID setup and deleted the RAID group and created a new RAID5 drive using all 4 2TB drives, resulting in a disk of 5500GB. My guess is that if break this drive down to 2TB partitions, I can install Windows onto one of them.

    DISKPART would not allow me to create any partitions above the 2TB limit, which meant that my drive could have the primary 2TB partition, but could not use the rest of the disk. And it seems that because there is more than 2TB of unused space on the disk, Window just does not like this and will not install.

    So what's going on?
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  2. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, this may help explain what you're seeing, assuming your MOBO does not support UEFI and you are using MBR:

    https://uefi.org/sites/default/files...Fact_Sheet.pdf
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  3. Posts : 23,196
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #3

    If your BIOS doesn't have a UEFI option, then it can only "talk" to disks with MBR partitions.
    Modern BIOSs have an option on the Boot > CSM section for Legacy, Legacy & UEFI, and UEFI.

    To access a GPT disk, the BIOS has to be set to Legacy & UEFI or UEFI.



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  4. Posts : 4,594
    Windows 10 Pro
       #4

    Ya I keep mine set to Legacy & UEFI, actually that`s the Default setting.

    That way you never have to change it again, it will talk to MBR and GPT
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  6. Posts : 23,196
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #6

    I just checked your motherboard manual, and the various BIOS updates offered for your motherboard by Gigabyte.

    The "newest" BIOS version is dated 2009. And you have no settings in your BIOS for UEFI.

    I've never used RAID (any version), but I would think you could convert those disks to MBR, then RAID5 them... then IF you can even HAVE a 6TB RAID setup on MBR disks, you might be able to do it.

    All your "storage" disks can be GPT, but it looks like your OS disk may have to be MBR.



    Btw, Welcome to Ten Forums.
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  7. Posts : 15,480
    Windows10
       #7

    For clarity, you cannot install windows on a drive over 2 TB if using legacy bios. Any excess capacity ovef 2TB will be unusable. You have to use a UEFI installation to access all 5 TB.

    You can use all of 5TB if drive is not an OS drive, converting it to hpt even if boot drive is mbr.

    Anyway, Windows 10 runs much more happily if installed on an SSD. A 1 TB SSD as OS drive and 5TB as data drive would be a more optimal setup.
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  8. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    Agree with that configuration. A good idea is to keep personal data off C: whether on another disk or partition for reasons of O/S maintenance potentially impacting it.
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  9. Posts : 23,196
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4291 (x64) [22H2]
       #9

    cereberus said:
    For clarity, you cannot install windows on a drive over 2 TB if using legacy bios. Any excess capacity ovef 2TB will be unusable. You have to use a UEFI installation to access all 5 TB.

    You can use all of 5TB if drive is not an OS drive, converting it to hpt even if boot drive is mbr.

    Anyway, Windows 10 runs much more happily if installed on an SSD. A 1 TB SSD as OS drive and 5TB as data drive would be a more optimal setup.


    The OP's motherboard only has SATA 2 headers. So an SSD might NOT be a wise choice.
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  10. Posts : 4,594
    Windows 10 Pro
       #10

    Ghot said:
    The OP's motherboard only has SATA 2 headers. So an SSD might NOT be a wise choice.


    I remember getting the dreaded "Windows can not be installed to this disk) when UEFI and GPT just came out. Good Times man Good Times

    So he only has 2 Sata headers but he has 4 drives hooked up, so is he using a combo of Sata and IDE ?
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