Doing Windows update vs. installing new Windows version ?

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  1. Posts : 114
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       #21

    OldNavyGuy said:
    Also mentioned in that post was unless you are within a few months of End of Service.

    The service life is 18 months, which applies to Feature Updates (upgrade to the newest version of Windows 10).

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...cle-fact-sheet

    Windows Updates, which are released monthly (Patch Tuesday) can be deferred for up to 35 days.
    I am aware of that. I'm on vers 1909 which should not be within a few months of End of Service since vers 2004 just came out.

    So we have Feature Updates, Security Updates & Windows Updates.

    Please see the following posting.
    Thanks

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  2. Posts : 1,867
    Windows 10 Pro 2004 20H1
       #22

    Mike100 said:
    I am aware of that
    Apparently your friend was not.
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  3. Posts : 114
    Windows 10 Pro 21H1
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       #23

    I did some looking around on my PC

    Under Windows Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update

    It says “* Some settings are managed by your organization”. And “You’re not up to date” and “Your device is missing important security & quality fixes”.

    Below that is the box to click on “Check for updates”. Will that just check for security updates since it says I’m missing some? Or will it check for any & all updates waiting?

    Under “Advanced options” all the Update options are turned off. So I presume updates will not be forced. And the “Pause updates for 7 days” is a useless option.

    Under Windows Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security > Virus & threat protection, it say the last update was 7/25/2020 which is today. How did it do that if updates are supposedly turned off?
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    Windows 10 Pro 2004 20H1
       #24

    Mike100 said:
    Below that is the box to click on “Check for updates”. Will that just check for security updates since it says I’m missing some? Or will it check for any & all updates waiting?
    It will download and install all updates.

    Virus definitions are exempt, and are installed automatically.
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  5. Posts : 114
    Windows 10 Pro 21H1
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       #25

    OldNavyGuy said:
    It will download and install all updates.

    Virus definitions are exempt, and are installed automatically.
    Thanks -

    Why does it say “Your device is missing important security & quality fixes”? Is that referring to something else such as setting up the Ransomware protection?

    Under Advanced options there is a setting under “Choose when updates are installed” for deferring the number of days for quality updates which says these include security improvements. What do quality updates usually contain?
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  6. Posts : 1,867
    Windows 10 Pro 2004 20H1
       #26

    It means you are behind on Security and Quality updates.

    Quality updates normally include non-security bug fixes, and enhancements.

    Cumulative updates (Patch Tuesday) contain both security and quality updates.

    Unfortunately, you can't pick and choose what is in the Cumulative update.

    Two tools I would recommend for you -

    1. Belarc Advisor

    Products: Belarc Advisor

    2. Windows Automatic Updates Manager

    WAU Manager

    We use both on our systems and I think they will make it easier to manage updates.
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  7. Posts : 114
    Windows 10 Pro 21H1
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       #27

    So far it sounds like holding off on the 2004 Feature Update is recommended until some bugs are fixed. I've always delayed Windows 7 updates for the same reason.

    If updates are not being forced because they are turned off, how would I get the Quality updates and the Cumulative (Patch Tuesday) updates?

    I'm presuming that enabling automatic updates & then going into Advanced options and deferring the Feature updates but keeping the Quality updates at zero delay would do the job. Or is there a different way? Or are the Patch Tuesday updates going to be automatic like the virus definitions?

    I'm familiar with Belarc and will look into WAU manager.

    Thanks
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  8. Posts : 1,867
    Windows 10 Pro 2004 20H1
       #28

    When you click Check for updates, everything will be turned backed on, and all updates will be downloaded and installed..immediately.

    Otherwise, updates have to be turned on, and deferred for up to 35 days.

    If everything is turned off, no updates except virus defintions will be installed...which is the behavior you have now.

    Windows Automatic Updates Manager allows you to determine what gets installed when...similar to what you could do in Windows 7.

    However, it does not separate anything in Cumulative updates. You get everything in the update.

    Our practice for many years is to wait at least 2 to 3 weeks after Patch Tuesday to install those updates...unless there is a zero-day security issue that is being actively exploited.

    It's always prudent to do frequent disk image backups, and daily backups of volatile data, in case anything goes sideways.
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  9. Posts : 114
    Windows 10 Pro 21H1
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       #29

    OldNavyGuy said:
    No longer necessary as of 1903.

    Feature updates are no longer force installed, unless the version you're using is within a couple of months of End of Service (18 months total).

    Microsoft Abandons Windows 10ís Constant Forced Updates
    Thought I had it all figured out.

    I made a mistake when I said that under ďAdvanced optionsĒ all the Update options are turned off so I presumed updates will not be forced. I went over the settings to confirm things & none of the Update options actually say that Updates are turned off. There are 3 settings.

    1) Receive updates for other MS products when you update Windows. It's turned off & grayed out.

    2) Download updates over metered connections (extra charges may apply).

    3) Restart the device as soon as possible when a restart is required......

    Nothing indicates updates can be turned off. What's the function of delaying Feature Updates for up to 365 days if they're not going to be forced anyway?

    As mentioned in another posting, my friend's PC is finally getting updated after about a year or so and he said he never changed any setting.

    Is there someplace that indicates automatic updates are disabled by default?
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  10. Posts : 1,867
    Windows 10 Pro 2004 20H1
       #30

    The 35-day (total) delay is what keeps Windows Updates from running immediately.

    After 35 days, your updates are downloaded and installed.

    If you click Check for updates, it will download and install immediately.

    You can turn off automatic updates in Group Policy.

    Essentially, that is what the Windows Automatic Updates Manager does for you.

    When I check View configured update policies in Windows Update, this is what I see -

    Attachment 289675

    As of 1903, deferring Feature updates for 365 days is no longer needed.

    Feature updates are now in their own section on the Windows Update screen, and downloading and installing them is optional.

    As I mentioned above regarding your friend...apparently he was close enough to the 18-month End of Service for the version he was on.

    He didn't need to change anything...it's done automatically.
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