No Boot, Drives Not detected, Can't Load Win10 Pleses Help!

AddRAM · 26 Jan 2020

You need the driver. Samsung has there own software for whipping up the driver and putting it on the installer

You said yourself it`s asking for a driver.

topgundcp · 26 Jan 2020

NavyLCDR said:

How do you connect an NVMe SSD to a SATA port?

@MaggieDale,

Sounds like you have a bad SSD. I recently had 2 bad SSDs. One was ADATA, it would not be recognized at all. I can't remember what the second SSD was, but it was very intermittent, sometimes recognized, sometimes not. The third SSD, a Samsung, finally worked flawlessly. Since then I've bought two more SSDs, and they both test perfect in the same computer. So for me, it was definitely the first two SSDs that were bad, in a row, and not the motherboard.

Not the M.2. THe other 250GB SSD that OP now using for Data.

NavyLCDR · 26 Jan 2020

topgundcp said:

Not the M.2. THe other 250GB SSD that OP now using for Data.

Are you referring to this one:

MaggieDale said:

I had installed a sumsung 250GB Nvme (For storage) into the PCIe slot using a RIITOP NVME Adapter.
That drive had windows 10 on it, but I immediately formatted it for storage and there we no problems at the time of installation.

???

If @MaggieDale does happen to have a SATA drive, it would be a good idea to try a SATA port, but I don't see any mention of the existence of a SATA drive in this thread.

topgundcp · 26 Jan 2020

If @MaggieDale does happen to have a SATA drive, it would be a good idea to try a SATA port, but I don't see any mention of the existence of a SAYA drive in this thread.

LOL. My mistake. I thought OP has a 250GB Sata. OK, In that case, swap theM.2 drive, shrink it to install Windows but still leave the data intact.

MaggieDale · 26 Jan 2020

Okay,
I have no idea what just happened!
I plugged a SSD (A storage drive) drive into SATA port 2 and it was recognized, as well, now the Sabrent M2_1 is showing up.

I plugged the same SSD (A storage drive) into SATA port 1 and the SSD (storage drive) shows up but the Sabrent M2_1 does NOT.
Thinking I had a bad Sabrent drive, I replaced it with a Samsung drive (NVME) (The drive I previously was using in a PCIe slot for storage), which which was recognized in the bios, so I formatted it and installed Win10.

I then pulled the samsung and installed the Sabrent NVME thinking I would just format and load Win10 on it as well,.
When I got to the point of selecting the Sabrent drive, I deleted the partition and choose make new, but windows kept telling me the allocated space was incorect and no matter what I choose, nothing would work, so I backed out of the installation and the PC rebooted to my Sabrent drive and, this is the weird part, The drive was exactly as it was before I started having all these problems! How could that be? I had deleted the partitions!

Anyway, I'm dumbfounded as to what was going on. The only thing I did after the initial build, when thing were running great was to install a NVME heat sink on the Sabrent main drive and a heat sink PCIe expansion card to the Samsung drive to use as a storage drive. The Samsung was the original Main drive when I built the PC with Win10 installed , but as soon as I installed it, I wiped the drive of Windows so I could have maximum storage space.

I don't understand any of this, unless the heat sink was causing problems??
I will run the Sabrent without the heat sink for a while and see what happens.

NavyLCDR · 26 Jan 2020

It is likely that SATA port 1 and the m.2 slot share resources and it is a limitation of the motherboard that can't use both at the same time.

bobkn · 28 Jan 2020

I don't get it.

According to the manual, SATA ports 5 and 6 are disabled when an M.2 drive is inserted.

I have Sabrent M.2 drives. Both use the default Win10 NVME drivers. Both use the heatsink bundled with the PCI-E 4.0 1TB drive. Sabrent 2TB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive With Heatsink | SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-HTSK-2TB No problems.

The PCI-E 3.0 drive needed the thermal tape included with the heatsink kit between the bottom of the heatsink and the M.2 card, mainly to function as a spacer. That allowed the card to line up with the raised lip of the half-hole for the 2280 mounting screw. (If you don't use it, the card won't go to the correct position.) Also, the kit came with a shorter standoff for the 2280 mounting screw. I wonder whether you have the heatsink mounted properly so that the Sabrent drive is fully seated in the M.2 socket?

If you remove the heatsink and use the M.2 card by itself in the M.2 slot, it may work if the issue was incorrect assembly with the Sabrent heatsink.

If you didn't get the heatsink quite right, don't feel any shame. The design is a bit of a kludge. I also wish that they had separate designs for single sided and two sided cards, or at least a hard spacer. My PCI-E 3.0 drive was single-sided and needed the thermal tape/spacer. The PCI-E 4.0 one was double sided, and did not.

Good luck.

By the way, my 1TB PCI-E 4.0 Sabrent drive benches (Crystal Disk Mark) at 4999 MB/s sequential reads, 4287 MB/s sequential writes. Not bad for $190.

MaggieDale · 28 Jan 2020

Thanks Bobkn, this is all great information!
I've looked high and low for information as to which SATA ports are disabled, even have a post on MSI (with no reply's)
I've been through the MSI B450M Gaming Plus manual several times but couldn't find it anywhere!
Could you possibly post the link where you found this?
The Sabrent I'm using for my main drive is the (SB-ROCKET-1TB)
The heat sink I had installed is the Digifast M.2 2280 SSD Premium Heatsink
At that point everything seemed fine (6 to 8 boots and usage) no problems.

Then I installed my previous main drive a Samsung NVME 250GB (with windows 10 on it) into a RIITOP NVMe Adapter M.2 PCIe SSD to PCI-e x4/x8/x16 Converter Card with Heat Sink.
Then installed it into the PCI-Ex16 slot which I assume is the top armored slot. Again everything seemed to work fine, I immediately reformatted the Samsung so there wouldn't be any chance of OS conflicts, and that went fine as well, the drive was recognized and I could transfer files.
All the while having a Crucial 500gb SSD plugged into either the SATA1 or SATA 2 port (can't remember which) (This was always the case from the beginning of the build) I have since moved that drive to SATA port 4 and it's working okay.

I have removed the main drive add on heat sink from the (Sabrent 1TB) and have not reinstalled the Samsung/PCIe expansion card. everything seems okay at this point.

Could there possibly be any conflict in utilizing the NVME expansion card in the PCI-e x4/x8/x16 slot?
And does it as well, affect the SATA usability layout?

Working now, but still confused!
Thanks for your time!

bobkn · 28 Jan 2020

From Page 16 of the downloadable English manual:

No Boot, Drives Not detected, Can't Load Win10 Pleses Help!-m.2.b450.png

The blue highlighting is from a text search. I don't see anything about additional competition for PCI-E lanes, except:

No Boot, Drives Not detected, Can't Load Win10 Pleses Help!-pcie.png

These may not give the full story.

MaggieDale · 28 Jan 2020

Thank you, I was looking at Mother board manual!
This board only has 4 SATA ports, so I assume in my case this information would apply to ports 3&4?
Thing is, I have a 500GB storage SSD plugged into Port 4 now and it works flawlessly?
The initial set up had the storage in port 1 or 2 and that seemed to work okay too??
Still confused, but more great information!
Thanks for your time!!

- - - Updated - - -

I finally got a reply from the MSI Posting Board on SATA.

"the PCI-E slot is connected to the CPU and the M.2 slot is connected to the Chipset.

as the B450M Gaming Plus is limited in the number of expansion slots it has as its not a massively overbuilt all its slots are independently wired which is why it doesn't disable and slots as they are not sharing resources.

what you are asking should be just fine as the RIITOP NVME adapter is just a pin to pin adapter and should just work fine."