Clean Install 10 On 7 Pro Machine

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  1. Posts : 31
    Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
       #1

    Clean Install 10 On 7 Pro Machine


    Hi-

    New here, but was a member on Seven Forums for years...

    I've a couple of questions regarding a clean Windows 10 (1909) install
    on a Windows 7 Pro based machine.
    I'm going to leave W7 on the SSD that it's on now, but remove SSD
    and install a new one for Windows 10.

    First, could someone please advise on how to copy Brink's tutorials,
    turn them into PDF format so that I can take my flash drive to Staple's
    and have them print the instructions out?...
    I need to do that for 2 tutorials- one for the GenuineTicket.xml file and
    the other for the installation tutorial. I already have Windows 10 burned
    to DVD from the Media Creation Tool we did through this pc and Windows 7.

    I'm thinking MS will still license my Windows 10 installation either through
    the Windows 7 license key, or the GenuineTicket.xml.

    Thanks for any and all advise/help.

    tim
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  2. Posts : 42,989
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, you're right in thinking changing the disk does not affect your license (at least as far as Win 10 is concerned).

    You have two basic options:
    - upgrade from Win 7 keeping all compatible progs and data.
    - clean install Win 10, using your Win 7 license.
    Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First

    Please note that the latest build (1909) has a bug in file explorer search- widely reported. MS tried to be clever and changed this from 1903, where it works as it ever did.

    You can download 1903 and use that if you wish. (Find and use the Heidoc iso downloader).

    Windows updates: a huge amount of discussion on this. You will have Win 10 Pro, so have more control.
    Two very useful features for control:
    - defer feature updates (upgrades) for up to 365 days
    - set updates to 'Notify' using the Group Policy editor- so you are notified and must accept updates.

    The Start Menu is much more restrictive and less flexible, and cannot properly handled large deeply nested start menus.
    Many people use Open Shell (free) - the best features of Win 7 and XP start menus and a lot more; configurable search and full support for drag 'n drop. No tiles though.

    Printing- why not just save them as HTML and then print them?
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  3. Posts : 31
    Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
    Thread Starter
       #3

    dalchina said:
    Hi, you're right in thinking changing the disk does not affect your license (at least as far as Win 10 is concerned).

    You have two basic options:
    - upgrade from Win 7 keeping all compatible progs and data.
    - clean install Win 10, using your Win 7 license.
    Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First

    Please note that the latest build (1909) has a bug in file explorer search- widely reported. MS tried to be clever and changed this from 1903, where it works as it ever did.

    You can download 1903 and use that if you wish. (Find and use the Heidoc iso downloader).

    Windows updates: a huge amount of discussion on this. You will have Win 10 Pro, so have more control.
    Two very useful features for control:
    - defer feature updates (upgrades) for up to 365 days
    - set updates to 'Notify' using the Group Policy editor- so you are notified and must accept updates.

    The Start Menu is much more restrictive and less flexible, and cannot properly handled large deeply nested start menus.
    Many people use Open Shell (free) - the best features of Win 7 and XP start menus and a lot more; configurable search and full support for drag 'n drop. No tiles though.

    Printing- why not just save them as HTML and then print them?
    OK, thanks..... noted on 1903 build- will try and procure and burn 1903 to DVD.

    I repaired a couple of friends 9 machines and added Open Shell to them because
    they liked the intuitive nature of the W7 Start Menu.
    There are a lot of things I'm going to want to turn off in 10, from what I'm
    understanding.
    Yes, could go the HTML route..... just highlight and save?...

    Thanks!

    tim
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  4. Posts : 42,989
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    There are a lot of things I'm going to want to turn off in 10,
    - not so much- tales of 'spying' are grossly overstated. If you think Windows spies on you, you should never use email or any form of syncing or cloud service. And as for browsing the internet...

    There are some rubbish apps you can get rid of (but just leaving them takes very little space).
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  5. Posts : 31
    Windows 7 Professional SP1 x64
    Thread Starter
       #5

    dalchina said:
    Hi, you're right in thinking changing the disk does not affect your license (at least as far as Win 10 is concerned).

    You have two basic options:
    - upgrade from Win 7 keeping all compatible progs and data.
    - clean install Win 10, using your Win 7 license.
    Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First

    Please note that the latest build (1909) has a bug in file explorer search- widely reported. MS tried to be clever and changed this from 1903, where it works as it ever did.

    You can download 1903 and use that if you wish. (Find and use the Heidoc iso downloader).

    Windows updates: a huge amount of discussion on this. You will have Win 10 Pro, so have more control.
    Two very useful features for control:
    - defer feature updates (upgrades) for up to 365 days
    - set updates to 'Notify' using the Group Policy editor- so you are notified and must accept updates.

    The Start Menu is much more restrictive and less flexible, and cannot properly handled large deeply nested start menus.
    Many people use Open Shell (free) - the best features of Win 7 and XP start menus and a lot more; configurable search and full support for drag 'n drop. No tiles though.

    Printing- why not just save them as HTML and then print them?
    One more question, if I may- in your opinion, do you think I would be better off
    just doing an in place upgrade to my 7 Pro, keeping all the programs intact?...
    Or, is there a chance something could go wrong and send me in the direction
    of a clean install, anyway?...

    Thank you, dalchina!

    tim
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  6. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #6

    Hi folks

    Actually as far as Cloud services are concerned Ms's AZURE (probably its biggest money making venture so far) is perfectly safe -- if it weren't loads of big corporations with a good amount of "intellectual copyright" to protect wouldn't use it if it had any leaks.

    What is good about this for HOME users of Windows is that the really robust security scheme Ms is developing for the service is being ported to Windows 10 --I know to say security and Windows together used to be a contradiction in terms --latest Windows 10 security is fine --rendering loads of those 3rd party A/V bits of software totally redundant these days --especially the free ones --even the venerable Malwarebytes used by loads here isn't really necessary any more on HOME computers.

    When was the last time you heard of a major successful Virus attack on the latest versions of W10 !!!! I know things like the British NHS system got attacked but they are still using XP in some places and those I.T systems are totally hosed up anyway for all sorts of reasons which aren't applicable to this post.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. Posts : 42,989
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #7

    do you think I would be better off just doing an in place upgrade to my 7 Pro, keeping all the programs intact?
    Very much your choice. You will save a lot of time not having to reinstall progs and copy back data, provided all goes well.
    There's a tutorial on upgrading and resolving issues: there are preparations to make
    - no security software
    - system disk in only
    - disconnect unnecessary devices
    - min 35Gb free on C:

    Upgrade to Windows 10

    Strongly recommended- create a disk image before ANY major change e.g. Macrium reflect (free) so you have a way to recover in the worst case.

    However, sometimes upgrades fail for complex and varied reasons. If that happens, it is uncertain whether resolution is possible, Some threads investigating logs etc run for days without success.

    Perhaps take the view: try upgrading- if it works, great. If not, clean install Win 10.
    Last edited by dalchina; 16 Jan 2020 at 08:32.
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  8. Posts : 4,594
    Windows 10 Pro
       #8

    I would either pull or unplug the W7 SSD, then you can have it forever, and ever

    Windows 7 is the best OS ever made and will never be duplicated
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  10. Posts : 31,665
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #10

    timw128 said:
    ...do you think I would be better off just doing an in place upgrade to my 7 Pro, keeping all the programs intact?...
    Or, is there a chance something could go wrong and send me in the direction of a clean install, anyway?...

    All the Windows 7 machines I have upgraded to Windows 10 have been successful and retained their installed software (which included Office 2003 on one machine and Office 2007 on another).

    It is always a sensible precaution to make a system image before you start with something like Macrium Reflect Free just in case you have trouble and want to restore your 7 Pro system as it was before you upgraded.
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