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  1.    10 Aug 2015 #11
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    10 (Free upgrade)

    Backing up right now...
    I highly recommend creating a system image...
    Well, he's already said that he's doing a back up, so...
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  2.    10 Aug 2015 #12
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Land of 10,000 lakes
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    W10 Pro, W10 Home

    Quote Originally Posted by teachermark View Post
    Well, he's already said that he's doing a back up, so...
    Yup, but a backup is not necessarily an image.
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  3.    10 Aug 2015 #13
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by teachermark View Post
    Well, of course something CAN go wrong. Anything could happen.
    That's right, so you shouldn't be telling folks
    In none of these events are your files and programs in danger of being destroyed
    when, in fact, they CAN be destroyed!
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  4.    10 Aug 2015 #14
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    Yes- System image tucked away safely. My total confidence in the early assurances is just beginning to get that wobbly lower lip feelng. Why could M$ not just do the key an easier way so I can go straight to a working dual-boot without all this......................

    I've booked a ticket to Thailand................
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  5.    10 Aug 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikephillips View Post
    Why could M$ not just do the key an easier way so I can go straight to a working dual-boot without all this......................

    I've booked a ticket to Thailand................
    Because a dual boot install is not an upgrade, it is a new and separate Operating System installation and is illegal to do with the free upgrade. That's one of the biggest reasons why a workaround is required to set it up.

    That being said, MS sure could have made it easier by just requiring a user to provide an existing Windows 7 or Windows 8 license key to activate a clean install of the free Windows 10 - I agree.
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  6.    10 Aug 2015 #16
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    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    That being said, MS sure could have made it easier by just requiring a user to provide an existing Windows 7 or Windows 8 license key to activate a clean install of the free Windows 10 - I agree.
    Something -- we agree on!!
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  7.    10 Aug 2015 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    and is illegal to do with the free upgrade. That's one of the biggest reasons why a workaround is required to set it up.
    Sorry, Captain, I do not follow the logic there. I can do a 'Clean Install' (a 'new and separate Operating System installation') but not run W10 alongside a legit commercial W7 installation??
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  8.    10 Aug 2015 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikephillips View Post
    Sorry, Captain, I do not follow the logic there. I can do a 'Clean Install' (a 'new and separate Operating System installation') but not run W10 alongside a legit commercial W7 installation??
    Are you asking if you can physically do it or legally do it? Physically, yes. In order for you to be legal you have to have two separate licenses. If you are going to dual boot between Windows 10 and Windows 7 then you need either 1 license for Windows 7 and a separate NON-UPGRADE license for Windows 10 or 2 licenses for Windows 7 - one of which will be used for the upgrade to Windows 10. An upgrade does not create a separately licensed new version of the operating system.

    If you are going to run Windows 10 on a separate partition than Windows 7 or on a virtual machine created in Windows 7 the separate partition or virtual machine is considered by Microsoft to be a second device - requiring a second license to legally have an operating system on. A Windows 7 license upgraded to Windows 10 is still a single license.
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  9.    11 Aug 2015 #19
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    OK - I had 'the impression' this was an unrestricted freebie from M$ for legit 7/8 holders and no-one in their right mind would risk running the upgrade with its uncertainties on a machine on which they depended! I see reports of 7 systems 'recovered' after a 10 setup which have permanent 'damage'. Back to running an un-activated dual-boot then until we can all be sure M$ have not screwed the pooch with this one as they have managed with some of the updates. Reminder set for 11 months.

    My thanks to all who have responded.
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  10.    11 Aug 2015 #20
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    The Free upgrade is, and always has been, exactly that- an Upgrade - there has never been any offer of a free copy of windows 10 - once you have the upgrade you can clean install on the same system.

    As with previous upgrades there is an option to revert to the previous OS - I've heard this compared to making eggs from an omelette, so should be taken as always with a pinch of salt.
    A full system and data backup should be performed prior to any upgrade

    With past windows versions you have been required to pay for a new key before the upgrade, which always made the licence for the previous operating system null and void. so this is a limited free upgrade offer.

    As in the past you need one licence per device so double boot is possible with Win7 and Win10, but as always two licences would be required.

    The simple type in a valid key upgrade method has not been used as Microsoft is changing the licensing model from distributed to central, (the licence data will be held on Microsoft servers not the user system). This is of course an inconvenience to the end user but is due to the amount of piracy now current
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