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  1.    12 Aug 2015 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Then I guess you won't be upgrading to Windows 10, either.
    I guess not, unless I was able to do a "free" clean install on a separate partition with dual boot, that I could restore all of my apps and data when I had the time, and then dump 8.1 when 10 was up to my needs.

    Of course, Microsoft prevents every work-around that might overcome their obvious poor run out of Windows 10 where so many have had problems, along with the worst documentation in history, and then only provides forums that I have yet to resolve anything yet. Nothing against those trying to provide help.......
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  2.    12 Aug 2015 #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastalguy View Post
    I guess not, unless I was able to do a "free" clean install on a separate partition with dual boot, that I could restore all of my apps and data when I had the time, and then dump 8.1 when 10 was up to my needs.
    Ok. Save your existing system partition as an image using Macrium Reflect. Reinstall the original 8.1. Upgrade that to Windows 10. Shrink the Windows 10 partition to make room for the original image, put the original image back onto the newly created empty space, and set up dual booting manually.

    And yes, the one major complaint I have about the free upgrade is I wish they would have allowed an initial clean install and activate it by providing a Windows 7/8/8.1 product key.
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  3.    12 Aug 2015 #33
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    The only solution for this that worked for me was to do clean reinstall of windows 8.1 from media created with Windows media creation tool completely removing partitions from my system drive. entering my windows 8.1 key activating and then running update from windows 10 media tool it worked without any problems this time.

    Tutorials how to clean install your windows 8.1
    Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create
    Clean Install - Windows 8

    after clean install any upgrade to Windows 10 path works fine.
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  4.    15 Aug 2015 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Ok. Save your existing system partition as an image using Macrium Reflect. Reinstall the original 8.1. Upgrade that to Windows 10. Shrink the Windows 10 partition to make room for the original image, put the original image back onto the newly created empty space, and set up dual booting manually.
    But, Microsoft did not intend the user to have 2 operating systems for the price of one. You either have 8 or you have 10.

    Quote Originally Posted by VBs View Post
    The only solution for this that worked for me was to do clean reinstall of windows 8.1 from media created with Windows media creation tool completely removing partitions from my system drive. entering my windows 8.1 key activating and then running update from windows 10 media tool it worked without any problems this time.
    When upgrades fail early on, it is a sign of driver issues, or recovery partition issues. Error 80070003 is usually an indication that you have messed around with the partitions in W8.x, and W10 can not upgrade because it cannot create the rollback.

    Best to backup your data, get out your program disks, locate your keycodes and do a clean install of W8, then upgrade.
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  5.    16 Aug 2015 #35
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    Not 2 for the price of one


    The only partitions that have been added, have been for data, following the original C: (Windows OS) and D: (Recovery), which are where they were when I purchased the PC from HP.

    As far as taking out the original install DVD's, my pc only came with the recovery partition, which I haven't a clue how to process the recovery from.

    Additionally, by your comment about not wanting Microsoft to provide 2 OS's for the price of one, first the 8.1 is a fully licensed version that came with the PC. As 10 is supposed to be free, then having 10 on one partition (free) and 8.1 on another (paid), then I do not understand where Microsoft would have a problem with this. Unless they have done away with the dual boot process, I have had 2 licensed installs of Windows with dual boot many times, one as a backup in case the main one fails or else just so I could bring the new install up to being usable before removing the old one.

    This was the purpose of the above comments for me to have 8.1 installed with 10 to give me time to bring 10 up to snuff and usable for my main system, before eliminating 8.1. If 10 would have upgraded my 8.1 with any sort of competence on Microsoft's part, all of this time consuming crap would not have been necessary.

    Having spent way too much time on trying to upgrade already, and now being advised to spend tons more time starting all over, my thoughts about Microsoft and upgrading to 10 are now too risque to comment on here. This post can now be closed because I will no longer do this upgrade until Microsoft can at least provide a failure reason that points me in a direction of what the problem is, instead of just one that advised it fails, they can keep their Windows 10.

    Totally frustrated and disgusted with the whole process......
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  6.    16 Aug 2015 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastalguy View Post
    Additionally, by your comment about not wanting Microsoft to provide 2 OS's for the price of one, first the 8.1 is a fully licensed version that came with the PC. As 10 is supposed to be free, then having 10 on one partition (free) and 8.1 on another (paid), then I do not understand where Microsoft would have a problem with this.
    Microsoft never offered to give away a free copy (license) of Windows 10. They offered to upgrade a computer running Win 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10 for free. BIG difference.
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  7.    16 Aug 2015 #37
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    I just read through the EULA and nowhere in there does it specifically state you cannot continue to use the OS you upgraded from. It is implied sort of:

    License. The software is licensed, not sold. Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the software.

    Nowhere does it say once you upgrade your existing qualifying OS you cannot then install and continue to use it on the same hardware, like what is stated above, to create an image then restore it to a different drive or partition and then boot Windows 10 or the qualifying OS.

    I thought it would specifically forbid this but it does not.

    The EULA, which appears during the Windows 10 setup, can also be read after the fact by clicking "Settings" in the Start menu, selecting "System" and then choosing the "About" option on the left. Clicking the link "Read the Microsoft Software License Terms" brings up the EULA.

    Above from an article by Gregg Keizer here: Windows 10 license confirms no-warning automatic updates and upgrades | Computerworld
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  8.    16 Aug 2015 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastalguy View Post
    The only partitions that have been added, have been for data, following the original C: (Windows OS) and D: (Recovery), which are where they were when I purchased the PC from HP. ...
    You didn't by chance use EaseUS Partition Manager, did you?
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  9.    16 Aug 2015 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastalguy View Post
    As far as taking out the original install DVD's, my pc only came with the recovery partition, which I haven't a clue how to process the recovery from....
    For these OE situations, usually you will have some disk burning software included with the system, and if you look in your programs, you will find "HP Recovery Disk Creator" (or something similar) - this is what you use to make your recovery disks. It will allow you to make only 1 set; usually a total of 4 DVDs.

    As for accessing the recovery partition, there are some methods outlined here:
    http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03489643
    However, you could also just perform a "reset" of W8, and that may do basically the same thing.
    http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html

    But, if the partitions have been modified such that the recovery partitions are now marked as "OEM", (read: EaseUS Partition Manager), Windows 10 will still not install, and I think you will not be able to create the Recovery Disks either. That would be a good check - see if you are able to successfully create the recovery disks now, from the HP recovery disk creation program.
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