clarification on transferring everything to new desktop computer W10

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  1. xyz
    Posts : 107
    Windows 10
       #1

    clarification on transferring everything to new desktop computer W10


    I know for you real computer people out there what I am trying to do is wrong, but…could you still please help in giving me some clarification.

    Situation:

    I have a new i7 8700K Desktop computer with 480 GB Kingston A400 SSD and pre-installed W10 Pro (and 200 GB HDD)

    I need everything from my old Desktop i5 computer with W10 Home (which I then fix up for my son).

    I have a lot of software on my (old) computer and mostly online installed, and not sure if I can download them all again.

    So, I want to transfer (copy disc/migrate) them from the old computer to my new one and onto the SSD. (I also have a backup copy of the whole C drive)

    At least, I believe I have to copy the whole disc including W10 Home (although the Pro version would be better) because the software is now integrated (installed) into the W10 Home = am I correct thinking this?

    So, I have no real choice (other than being able to re-install all the software = not an option = or only partly)?

    I don't believe there is any other way of doing this (without re-installing all the software = which is not an option), or?

    My present C drive is about 430 GB full. I can reduce this by removing some steam games of my son and transferring files, and removing some software. So, everything fits in my opinion, without any problem.

    Also:

    Since I am not too sure about the quality/reliability of the 480 GB Kingston A400 SSD I am also considering swopping this for a Samsung 500 GB 860 EVO?

    (*** although Amazon have an offer at the moment for a SanDisk SSD PLUS 1TB Sata III 2,5 Zoll Interne-SSD, bis zu 535MB/Sek which is only about 17 EURO more expensive

    = sounds really good but once again I am not sure of the quality and reliability of this SanDisk disc/make?)

    Main use of computer: Corel Painter and other art software, Video editing (not full professional level), music recording (not full professional level), Photo editing software, etc.

    So can anyone advise = really appreciate it, and thanks
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  2. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    I have a lot of software on my (old) computer and mostly online installed, and not sure if I can download them all again.
    So, I want to transfer (copy disc/migrate) them from the old computer to my new one and onto the SSD. (I also have a backup copy of the whole C drive)
    You may be able to use a program like Laplink PC Mover or Easeus PCTrans to use (an image of) the old PC as source to automatically transfer the installed programs- that's what they are for, on a one-off license basis.

    Both PCs have to be x64 or x32, for example.

    However, you would have to be careful about licensing issues.

    Using these programs is a huge advantage timewise if you have a lot of programs. I found over 95% success with some 100s of programs. A few needed manual installation.
    Last edited by dalchina; 01 Apr 2019 at 12:27.
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  3. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #3

    Regarding the Kingston versus the Samsung:

    I haven't checked, but I'm willing to assume that the Samsung 860 EVO is faster than the Kingston A400.

    Having said that, I wouldn't change to the Samsung unless the cost is literally no concern or you have specific reasons to believe the Kingston is a flawed design. There's little to no chance you would ever notice the difference and it's nothing more than a coin flip as to which of the two might prove to be more reliable.

    If you nevertheless insist on buying a new SSD, I'd probably use it to replace that 200 GB HDD that you already have--you might at least notice the speed difference in that case. I'm not clear on the purpose of the HDD. Maybe put Windows on the new Samsung and move the Kingston over to replace the HDD.
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  4. xyz
    Posts : 107
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #4

    Thanks a lot dalchina and ignatzatsonic:

    dalchina:

    You may be able to use a program like Laplink PC Mover or Easeus PCTrans to use (an image of) the old PC as source to automatically transfer the installed programs- that's what they are for, on a one-off license basis.

    so these two software basically just copy the whole C drive (including the old Windows 10 Home ) over onto the new SSD = is that right? I see they are specially made for such tasks, but what is the difference or the advantage of just (let's say) putting the Backup of my old C Drive onto the SSD?

    (don't quite understand so I am just trying to learn)

    And is there a preference for one of these two = for example = the easiest and safest to use for someone like me with little experience and not a nerd. (I did seem to like the Laplink website...but?)


    Update: just thought of something else. I did install a couple of these software onto an HDD drive on my old computer = is this an issue = I can also install the old HDD drive into my new computer (was planning to do this anyway)


    ignatzatsonic:

    The computer came with the 200 GB SHD
    INO-IHDD2000S3-D1-7264 SATA37200upm 3,5" 64MB installed (as did the Kingston SSD)

    As far as I can tell from my search results there is no doubt the Samsung Evo is faster

    I found this review (but it is from 2016): https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ew,4730-2.html however it is a little too technical for me

    However, you might be right about whether there is any need to replace the Kingston for a Samsung - and money is an issue - but I did not want to have an SSD that breaks down on me and I was/am not sure about the Kingston, so that is why I thought about the Samsung (although it is financially better when I do not have to change the Kingston_and the SanDisk SSD PLUS 1TB is an even better deal price wise _ but once again I am unsure of durability/quality_and the need for any replacement at all).

    I am not sure I need the Samsung higher speed though? I am not playing games.

    I did think about using the Kingston as a secondary drive, but if there is no need to replace the Kingston, I can forget this.

    The HDD (SHD?) would be used for storage and any new software (as the SSD will be full enough))
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  5. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #5

    so these two software basically just copy the whole C drive (including the old Windows 10 Home ) over onto the new SSD = is that right?
    No, it isn't. You install the OS on the new PC (or it's already installed); install, say PC Mover and run it, using a disk image of C: from the old PC as source. The program extracts what you select from that and 'installs' the programs in your new PC. You go and do some gardening e.g. .... then come back and see what you've got.

    I said:
    You may be able to use a program like Laplink PC Mover or Easeus PCTrans to use (an image of) the old PC as source to automatically transfer the installed programs.
    Best to check your exact scenario with them before buying a license.

    Update: just thought of something else. I did install a couple of these software onto an HDD drive on my old computer = is this an issue = I can also install the old HDD drive into my new computer (was planning to do this anyway)
    If the install path was to this hard drive, then there will be almost certainly registry keys (on C: ) and other folders related to the program in various places on C: so unless the programs are completely portable, you can't just use this on the new PC and expect the programs to run.

    In all of this, before making any major change, make use of disk imaging as a matter of routine.
    E.g. Macrium Reflect (free). Make an image of your new PC, then 'update' that before and after a major change, so you can always go back to the same state as any date on which you created an image.
    Last edited by dalchina; 01 Apr 2019 at 13:38.
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  6. xyz
    Posts : 107
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Okay, thanks again dalchina

    so I misunderstood, thanks for the clarification/correction

    The SSD already has Windows 10 Pro installed on the new computer (although not activated by me yet).

    So, first of all, I would need to activate W10 pro on the new computer. Then I install the right software (Laplink or Easeus) and select what I need in this program (which would be everything except the Windows 10 Home) and this transfers everything selected. I think I have understood now, thanks a lot. I am assuming that it won't be a problem that the transfer software is installed on the SSD where the transfer data will be installed (does not wipe the SSD clean because the windows system is also installed on that)

    Will first check with both Software makers about my situation.

    thanks
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  7. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #7

    xyz said:

    The computer came with the 200 GB SHD
    INO-IHDD2000S3-D1-7264 SATA37200upm 3,5" 64MB installed (as did the Kingston SSD)
    Are you positive that is a 200 GB drive rather than a 2000 GB drive???

    It may not make much sense to replace a 2000 GB (2 TB) HDD with an SSD if you need anywhere near 2 TB storage--although you can get 2 TB SSDs for under 300 US dollars on this side of the pond.

    Decide how much total storage you need---for personal data, not Windows, not installed programs.

    I assume you intend to put at least some of your personal data on the same drive as Windows? If so, have you considered putting data on a separate partition on that drive?
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  8. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    So, first of all, I would need to activate W10 pro on the new computer. Then I install the right software (Laplink or Easeus)
    and you create a disk image of the source PC on an external USB disk, then connect that disk to the new PC, then run the program,

    and select what I need in this program (which would be everything except the Windows 10 Home) and this transfers everything selected. I think I have understood now, thanks a lot.
    Note: it was the case the license for using an image file was cheaper when I did it.

    The other approach (no disk images) means running the program on
    new pc then
    old pc then
    new pc

    as they describe. Using a disk image is simpler (and you should be using disk imaging routinely anyway as is so often advised on this site to protect your PC and your data.
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  9. xyz
    Posts : 107
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #9

    I would still like to clear up something that is bothering me (in the sense of wondering/learning:

    If I was willing to sacrifice the new pre-installed W10 Pro (does Pro version really give more needed advantages to Home version?) on new computer SSD and just keep the old W10 Home version (on old computer)

    = why then could I not just transfer all the old HDD Drive C Data over to the SSD?

    By using my old HDD Drive C Data Backup copy? Or using some program to clone the old C drive onto the new SSD?

    What am I missing here? I mean is it not like just restoring a (new HDD) drive if the old (HDD) drive stops working?

    Or is it because this is not possible = because a backup copy or a clone of an HDD will not work when put on a SSD? or?

    confused about this?

    (sorry I was writing this as you posted the last comment so did not see it until now = so does your latest comment say - do I understand correctly - that I could use my backup copy to just install the whole backup copy on SSD = I only lose the use of W10 Pro, which is no big deal, I will let my son have that ?)

    PS: sorry I sometimes get confused by the term "source image" = a backup copy of the whole C drive is I assume also a "source image" (I do a backup every month)
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  10. Posts : 42,982
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #10

    If I was willing to sacrifice the new pre-installed W10 Pro (does Pro version really give more needed advantages to Home version?) on new computer SSD and just keep the old W10 Home version (on old computer)
    1. You can only use 1 license on 1 PC. You can transfer licenses- but only if they are retail, not OEM.
    2. If you could use your Home license on your new PC, that would leave your old PC with no OS
    3. Pro (to me) primarily offers much better control of Windows Updates.

    4. It is possible to simply move a system disk from one PC to another, and hope Windows sorts out the drivers. However, you may wish to consider whether the original uses MBR or UEFI, NTFS or GPT for example.
    5. With a SSD you would want to use AHCI protocol (better performance).

    Sorry, too many questions .. someone else can try..
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