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  1.    #21

    PolarNettles said: View Post
    This UEFI:NTFS/secure boot issue has been around for a long time.

    However, I noticed with 1809 that the pre-made ISO from MS (e.g. if you download it from Linux) has a install.wim that is > 4GB so you can no longer create a FAT32 install medium with Rufus from that ISO like you could with earlier versions. That means if you go this route you have to create an NTFS drive and disable secure boot in order to install in UEFI mode.
    Nah - who needs Rufus.

    Create bootable USB installer if install.wim is greater than 4GB | Tutorials
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  2.    #22

    PolarNettles said: View Post
    MS has a lot to lose if the courts interpret the GPL in a way that requires revealing private keys or source code. So they are doing the safest thing and refusing to sign any GPLv3 binaries.
    Yet, as I explain in the FAQ entry, they happily sign Linux shims, that, in turn, allow the very same GPLv3 binaries they don't want to sign, such as GRUB 2, to run.

    Clearly, if Microsoft's concerns were about safety, they would never sign these shims, because, if we follow their reasoning about GPLv3 requiring private keys to be relinquished, then the same can only apply to the shims too (since these will be used to run GPLv3 binaries in the same manner as the Secure Boot enabled firmware), which means someone will be able to ask the shim developers to relinquish their private keys, which, in turn, should enable ill intentioned people to run whatever binaries they want even if Secure Boot is enabled (through a shim for which they have the private signing keys).

    So there really isn't much besides two possibilities here. Either Microsoft consider that their "interpretation" of the GPLv3 is correct and are behind it all the way, in which case they should never ever sign shims, because then they know it introduces the same security liability to Secure Boot as if they had signed GPLv3 code themselves. Or they know that their interpretation is bullshit, but are happy to use it as an excuse to go against a license they have long felt threatened by.

    Addon: I'll also remind people reading this thread, who appear to have a misconception about what Rufus requires, is that Rufus only asks to disable Secure Boot temporarily (for the initial boot really), and that you can re-enable it right after that. I get the feeling that a lot of people here are assuming that Rufus is asking people to disable Secure Boot altogether, which is not correct. We also explain in the FAQ how, when you are using signed software (like Rufus) and have validated the SHA of the official Windows ISO you downloaded, temporarily disabling Secure Boot can hardly be seen as a security risk...
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       #23

    KabyBlue said: View Post
    Good to hear from the source & appreciate all your work...

    I can't help but assume Microsoft's decision to disallow UEFI:NTFS compatibility with Secure Boot isn't in the best interest of consumers and more along the line of protection their bottom-line...
    Actually you can create the keys needed. The whole reasoning for Secure Boot, was to stop the end user from infecting a machine with a malware infested device or OS install.

    MS had to go into battle damage mode when they got slammed for trying to lock out the Linux Foundation and others from having the choice to allow the end user to choose which OS they want to install on the hardware that they own. Because various governments stated no to MS on the lockdown to only MS being allowed to have the only market for Desktop OS, MS had to relax their monopoly that they were trying to create.
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       #24


    I DO use Rufus,

    and it works well

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  5.    #25

    I have a copy of Rufus saved in my archive, but it's no big deal to simply partition a USB drive with GPT, format it fat32, then copy the installation files over from a mounted ISO. Works just fine. In any case I don't really give a crap about secure boot, I leave it off and don't worry about it. Just another impotent attempt by MS at security. Anything effective they've ever done with security has come from outside their engineering environment.
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  6.    #26

    I guess I'm just lucky. My only PC that uses UEFI is fine with installing from a Fat32 or NTFS formatted thumb drive. No having to turn off secure boot or having to do anything fancy. I don't and likely never will use Rufus.
    Diskpart works just fine for me. I can create one thumb drive that will install in legacy or UEFI. It works for all my current devices anyway.
    If you like and use RUFUS I'm fine with that. It just seems to have so many options that most people get it wrong and end up posting for help here on Ten Forums when it doesn't work as they wanted? Overly complicated IMHO.
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  7.    #27

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I guess I'm just lucky. My only PC that uses UEFI is fine with installing from a Fat32 or NTFS formatted thumb drive.
    Depends really - if you only use Windows then sure, you probably don't need it these days. If you want to boot the Arch Linux ISO for example though you have to dd it onto your USB key as it needs the SYSLINUX loader put in track 0. I don't know any easy way apart from Rufus to do that from Windows - you certainly can't copy paste.

    Like all tools it has it place.
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  8.    #28

    lx07 said: View Post
    Depends really - if you only use Windows then sure, you probably don't need it these days. If you want to boot the Arch Linux ISO for example though you have to dd it onto your USB key as it needs the SYSLINUX loader put in track 0. I don't know any easy way apart from Rufus to do that from Windows - you certainly can't copy paste.



    Like all tools it has it place.
    My only Linux PC (other than my 2 dozen or so Raspberry Pi's) is my spare desktop PC. I run the Raspberry Pi desktop x86 on it. Its legacy BIOS though. Everything else is Windows and no dual boots etc.
    I can see it does have its uses. IMHO though a lot of those using it, don't really need it. And its seems quit a few of those get it wrong and then can't get Windows to install, and get frustrated.
    Regular users know all the ins and outs, first timers not so much it seems.
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  9.    #29

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    My only Linux PC (other than my 2 dozen or so Raspberry Pi's) is my spare desktop PC. I run the Raspberry Pi desktop x86 on it. Its legacy BIOS though. Everything else is Windows and no dual boots etc.
    I can see it does have its uses. IMHO though a lot of those using it, don't really need it. And its seems quit a few of those get it wrong and then can't get Windows to install, and get frustrated. Regular users know all the ins and outs, first timers not so much it seems.
    It would be nice if there was an easy button in Rufus. Click on the easy button, point it to your ISO file, point it to the destination drive. Rufus would then wipe the flash drive, create an MBR primary partition, format FAT32, mark as active, copy the files and folders over and it's done. Flash drive boots in both legacy BIOS and UEFI, no fuss, no confusing options.
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  10.    #30

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    It would be nice if there was an easy button in Rufus. Click on the easy button, point it to your ISO file, point it to the destination drive. Rufus would then wipe the flash drive, create an MBR primary partition, format FAT32, mark as active, copy the files and folders over and it's done. Flash drive boots in both legacy BIOS and UEFI, no fuss, no confusing options.
    Or a "I don't know what I'm doing" button. Just kidding around a bit guys, apologies if that rubs any body the wrong way. Thats just one of those deals where the more options you add, the harder it is to figure out which one your supposed to be using for any particular situation.

    The only utility I use thats even close to Rufus is Etcher. I use it to image the Micro SD cards I use in my Raspberry Pi's. It just transfers the "image" to my card duplicating the partitions and file structure in the process.
    Its point and click, select the image and the destination drive. I get the one fat32 boot partition I need and the other Linux system partition. Two or three mouse clicks and its a done deal. Not really a fair comparison but its the only other similar utility I've used.
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